January 10, 2007

UPDATE on Cisco’s iPhone Trademark


Commentary from Mark Chandler, Cisco’s SVP and General Counsel, on Apple’s infringement of Cisco’s iPhone trademark.

Today’s announcement from Cisco regarding our suit with Apple over our iPhone trademark has spurred a lot of interesting questions.  Most importantly, this is not a suit against Apple’s innovation, their modern design, or their cool phone. It is not a suit about money or royalties. This is a suit about trademark infringement.

Cisco owns the iPhone trademark. We have since 2000, when we bought a company called Infogear Technology, which had developed a product that combined web access and telephone.  Infogear’s registrations for the mark date to 1996, before iMacs and iPods were even glimmers in Apple’s eye.  We shipped and/or supported that iPhone product for years.  We have been shipping new, updated iPhone products since last spring, and had a formal launch late last year. Apple knows this; they approached us about the iPhone trademark as far back as 2001, and have approached us several times over the past year.

For the last few weeks, we have been in serious discussions with Apple over how the two companies could work together and share the iPhone trademark.  We genuinely believed that we were going to be able to reach an agreement and Apple’s communications with us suggested they supported that goal. We negotiated in good faith with every intention to reach a reasonable agreement with Apple by which we would share the iPhone brand.

So, I was surprised and disappointed when Apple decided to go ahead and announce their new product with our trademarked name without reaching an agreement. It was essentially the equivalent of "we’re too busy."  Despite being very close to an agreement, we had no substantive communication from Apple after 8pm Monday, including after their launch, when we made clear we expected closure.  What were the issues at the table that kept us from an agreement? Was it money? No. Was it a royalty on every Apple phone? No. Was it an exchange for Cisco products or services? No.

Fundamentally we wanted an open approach. We hoped our products could interoperate in the future. In our view, the network provides the basis to make this happen—it provides the foundation of innovation that allows converged devices to deliver the services that consumers want.  Our goal was to take that to the next level by facilitating collaboration with Apple.  And we wanted to make sure to differentiate the brands in a way that could work for both companies and not confuse people, since our products combine both web access and voice telephony. That’s it. Openness and clarity. 

At MacWorld, Apple discussed the patents pending on their new phone technology. They clearly seem to value intellectual property.  If the tables were turned, do you think Apple would allow someone to blatantly infringe on their rights? How would Apple react if someone launched a product called iPod but claimed it was ok to use the name because it used a different video format? Would that be ok?  We know the answer – Apple is a very aggressive enforcer of their trademark rights. And that needs to be a two-way street.

This lawsuit is about Cisco’s obligation to protect its trademark in the face of a willful violation.  Our goal was collaboration.  The action we have taken today is about not using people’s property without permission.

Cisco Press Release on this issue can be viewed here: http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html.

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Anonymous Jan 10, 2007

Excellent response. It’s amazing what wonders blogging can do.

Startups.in/India Jan 10, 2007

This post reflects Cisco’s openness in their communication. Very well explained. I just wished Apple showed some respect to Cisco’s and its openhandedness.

Nag.B /at/
Startups.in/India

Joe Ropkins Jan 10, 2007

I am impressed by Cisco’ transparency and willingness to communicate, especially so when these traits are exhibited by the senior management. Congratulations, Cisco. You’re doing very well indeed.

Trainwrecka Jan 10, 2007

too bad so sad for apple ... well actually it won’t be that sad. they can call it whatever they want ... the masses will buy it.

Nick Jan 10, 2007

It sounds like Mr. Jobs is going Wal-Mart route. Consumers don’t like superciliousness. Needless to say I as a consumer am turned off by Apple’s attitude in a big way. I will start by returning my second ipod nano that I just bought and I promise Apple will loss my spending of at least $3000 that I had planned on spending on various Apple products next month.
It is sad I admired both the companies Cisco and Apple, now I admire only one and despise Apple.

Nick Jan 10, 2007

It sounds like Mr. Jobs is going Wal-Mart route. Consumers don’t like superciliousness. Needless to say I as a consumer am turned off by Apple’s attitude in a big way. I will start by returning my second ipod nano that I just bought and I promise Apple will loss my spending of at least $3000 that I had planned on spending on various Apple products next month.
It is sad I admired both the companies Cisco and Apple, now I admire only one and despise Apple.

Carroll Wills Jan 10, 2007

Your post is very thorough and informative.  I most definitely agree that CISCO is well within its rights to protect its trademark. I also agree that it was presumptuous and arrogant of Apple to launch with a name that it doesn’t own. They should be called on it.

However ...

You lost me with your disingenuous and facile proclamations about “openness”. Let us be blunt—to the world at large, iPhone has always meant Apple. Cisco doesn’t even own the domain “iPhone.com”.

By insisting on “interoperability” of the products as your price, Cisco was attempting to use an asset it didn’t create (i.e. the name “iPhone”) as a means by which to leverage access not only Apple’s design and technological advantages but also its obvious marketing savvy.

In short, this is not about “openness” and “transparency”—it’s about promoting your company’s products by plugging into Apple’s innovation and “buzz”.

Again, I have no problem with Cisco calling Apple out on its power play. You have the right to protect your property. But please don’t patronize us by trying to sell it as a noble blow for “openness”.

Based on your statement, it seems clear to me that you were simply trying to use the naming dispute as a means of getting a piece of the iPhone action.

Rich Jan 10, 2007

Excellent. Absolutely excellent, and that’s coming from as big an Apple fan as you’re likely to ever encounter. What Jobs and Company did was (and is) wrong.

Here’s hoping for some sanity all the way around.

Duncan Jan 10, 2007

I think the two way street argument on IP and TM’s is a very good point, one that should be driven home to all the Apple Zealots out there. Great transparent post, a credit to Cisco.

Hans Jan 10, 2007

Thanks for the public explanation. I expect this will be an interesting lawsuit to follow. On the one hand, Cisco owns a trademark. On the other hand, trademarks consisting of a lowercase i followed by a capitalized noun have become so strongly associated by the general public with Apple.

Joey Jan 10, 2007

My own theory is that Apple will not use the name iPhone.  This has to be the most uninspiring name for such a technology forward device.  If not a little sneaky too.

—Joey

T Man Jan 10, 2007

Very well stated.  Apple, where are you?  Oh, that’s right, you guys don’t blog…

Time and time again we see the arrogance of Apple and Steve Jobs.  According to your account, Apple basically said that, yeah, you own that name, but we’re Apple, so we’re going to use it anyway.

I wish you guys the best of luck.

Brady J. Frey Jan 10, 2007

Interesting read - but I’m confused about any intentions to ‘interoperate in the future’; especially garnering the differences in brand and design. Your iPhone line and the Cisco line does not reach the same target demographic, the design and aesthetic is a drastic contrast, and it seems so about the user experience. While you have the name, I don’t see anything you have to offer to support that device in the future for innovation.

This is not apple fanboy talk, I love my big beautiful cisco router - the Creative Director in me doesn’t see a marriage between these two devices, though, or the brand of these two companies, save an issue with a name. I support protecting intellectual property - it just seems foolish that there would be any balance between the two, and that area of arguement seems moot. There must be an alterior reason, a company as expansive as Cisco wouldn’t be that naive when it looks into the marketing realm, would it? You paid for the name, but Apple burned the ‘i’ into american lexicon - and the brands are very contrasting.

gmyklt Jan 10, 2007

In the paragraph beginning with “Fundamentally” you’ll find words like “interoperate”, “network”, “converged”, and “collaboration”, and then in the very next breath we read of the desire to “differentiate the brands”, so as not to “confuse people”.

Huh?

“Openness” Mr. Chandler may have, but his “clarity” is severely lacking.

And Mr. Chandler, it is about the money and, in business, this is no grounds for shame.

NateB2 Jan 10, 2007

Great response.  You took the right steps to protect your trademark.  Thanks again for clarifying this!

Jason B. Jan 10, 2007

Bravo. You see though, Apple sets a bad example for all. They are the first ones to cry fowl when someone copies them and the first one to rip off your innovation. They think their products are so good that they don’t have to follow any rules.

Also, frankly, Apple thinks they are too good for Cisco, and that’s why they won’t collaborate, because Steve Jobs sh1t don’t stink. He runs his workers into the ground and then treats them like garbage when they are not pulling all nighters.

I hate to sound so hateful but Nick Carr had a great post about how in today’s world, technology is about opening up, creators are customers, even Microsoft designs websites that work in Firefox ( not always but they try) and the only hi tech company who is above all of this is Apple. They don’t care what their product works with because in Steve Jobs word everyone owns all Apple products. 95 percent of the innovation that went into the iPhone was invented outside Cuppertino but you’ll never hear Steve admit it. Apple, quit ripping people off, there are other companies that are well liked like Cisco and they need to be respected as well.

You know what Steve Jobs, I respect myself too much to use your product so go hang out with Al Gore, reminisce about how you all created everything, and remember, never like your product more than your customers do. Sorry to be so negative.

Kevin S. Jan 11, 2007

This lawsuit is all about the money, that’s how business works.

Cisco was simply fortunate to own the iPhone trademark. Had Apple not likely been imminently coming out with a mobile phone product in January 2007 would Cisco have released a VoIP phone called the iPhone in December 2006? Now Cisco has legal grounds to sue Apple and make some easy money.

This doesn’t make Apple’s infringement of Cisco’s trademark any more legal, and Cisco has all the right provided under law to sue Apple to protect its trademark, and indeed Cisco should sue Apple. But to pretend to take the moral high ground (ie., “It is not a suit about money or royalties. This is a suit about trademark infringement.”) is just smart PR.

jeff Jan 11, 2007

this is what will happen at the end of it all…

apple will be forced to change the actual name of the phone when it’s released in june.  cisco gets to keep the iphone name for their phone.  when people see the apple phone, they will still call it iphone.  when people hear iphone, they will still think of the apple phone.  cisco’s phone will be “the other iphone”.

Apple Fan Jan 11, 2007

Excellent response.  Cisco is fair and right on.

E P Jan 11, 2007

Cute story, fictional, but cute. I applaud your humanitarianism but please give us a break. There is no way Apple is going to carry your cheesy silver plastic low-end skype phone along on a multi billion dollar ride.

I’m quite sure Apple made an offer in monetary terms which would well compensate Cisco for any product revenue but you and I both know that tagging on the back of the biggest product announcement of the year is worth far more than that.

I know you didn’t know what the product was or what it did or how it did it, even Apple’s actual partners didn’t until the launch. You shoved a piece of junk out the door weeks before the Apple launch to establish claim to an otherwise dormant trademark and provide a basis for damages in an eventual suit. How’s that selling by the way?

I’m sure you legal types will work out fair compensation, as an AAPL and CSCO shareholder I expect as much, but please don’t blow smoke up my rear end about your altruistic aims in the interim.

Andru Edwards Jan 11, 2007

Mark,

Thank you for the response, and keeping the community aware of exactly what is going on here. It’s an unfortunate thing that Apple decided to go ahead and make an announcement despite the lack of an official agreement. Here is to hoping that something can be worked out very shortly.

Interesting Jan 11, 2007

I cannot think of anything better for Cisco than being known as the company that forced the iPhone to have a different name.  Yes, Cisco has copyrights and Apple is in the wrong, but does Cisco really want to anger all of the Apple fans of the world?  I just wonder how long it will be for some Apple fan blog to call for the Cisco boycott…

Adario Strange Jan 11, 2007

Great response Mark. For those needing additional perspective regarding what this new iPhone twist might mean, look here…

james Jan 11, 2007

Very reasonable approach.  Thank you for your open thoughts.  Although I do not know the exact terms listed in the Agreement, I do see that neither money nor loyalty being the deal breaker.  So what is it?  Why does Apple choose not to collaborate and to ally with Cisco?  Is their arrogance blinding them?  Are they afraid of Cisco’s movement towards the consumer market and want to “teach” Cisco a lesson? 
Although I do use and enjoy Apple products, I am still fully behind Cisco’s decision to pursue and to protect the trademark.  Just because one is the 800-lb. gorilla in a particular section of the consumer market one should not act like a bully.  It’s time Apple learns to play nice.

Toby Getsch Jan 11, 2007

I hope the ‘popular muscle’ of Apple gets a nice charlie horse on this one.  Well said, Mr. Chandler.

marc db levin Jan 11, 2007

Hats off to Cisco for your candor on the subject and willingness to have a dialog with comments open to all-comers. Steve Jobs? Care to chime in here?

John Koetsier Jan 11, 2007

When I read this post, it’s completely obvious why Apple didn’t do the deal: you (Cisco) wanted not just a licensing agreement or the sale of a trademark but a business relationship ... in a sense, you wanted in.

That’s something Apple’s very reluctant to do unless there are extreme benefits (e.g., RIM-style push email via Yahoo, world’s-best search/maps via Google) to the end user (and Apple).

It’s hard to see how any kind of relationship with Cisco could have realistically provided any sustantive business benefits for Apple.

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All that said, launching a major product like this with a looming trademark issue is astonishing to say the least.

My guess is that Apple is going to say it’s the Apple iPhone, not the iPhone, and that is significant enough differentiation to avoid trademark violation. That’s why their site apple.com/iphone/ now shows an Apple logo before the iPhone name.

It remains to see what a court will think of this ...

CodeRed Jan 11, 2007

Simple, brilliant and accurate…a grand trio.  Well done, Mark. 

CR

bbrv Jan 11, 2007

Hi Mark,

http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/01/iphone-home-hello-cisco.html

We were wondering what happened (see post the day before).

Stay open, stay focused, keep going…

R&B

Pascal Jan 11, 2007

I am an Apple fan indeed, but I must say I fully understand and support your point of view. Thank you for the excellent answer, it is time for Apple to think that way, too.

Mandla Jan 11, 2007

I’m not sure you haven’t shot yourself in the foot with this blog. You’ve said that this isn’t about royalties but it’s about Apple opening up their product to you.

That’s not what trademark law is there for now is it? A trademark is not supposed to be a crowbar for gaining access to other people’s products and IP. It’s there to protect your own products not to prise open other people’s products.

The reason we have trademarks is because if two companies produce products with the same name, it causes confusion amongst the customers. So someone buying an iPhone from Apple might think they’re buying the Cisco iPhone their mate told them about. Trademark law is there to distinguish products.

You seem to be saying that you wanted to leverage your trademark to blur the distinction between the two products. Quite the opposite of what trademark law had in mind. If you thought that two iPhones could coexist in this world; yours and the apparently differentiable Apple phone, I don’t see why this wasn’t just about how much you were going to make Apple pay to use the name. Apple would probably have preferred to pay you a royalty, wouldn’t they?

Of course you have a right to protect your trademark. I’m not sure you’re correct in saying that Apple would have approached this in the same way. Apple seems to have historically simply blocked people from using their trademarks at all in any context or alternatively charged a royalty. I don’t recall a precedent for them redesigning other people’s products by negotiating trademark use. This will now devolve into a good ol’ trademark battle in which you stand no hope of getting Apple to open up their product.

Delta Jan 11, 2007

Guys disappointing. Your Linksys brick is not even close what we can name iphone. It’s a junk segment. I think it would be far better to reach an agreement in financial instead of technical terms. Apples iphone works very different to the linksys mobile.
Believe me after Steve Jobs Keynote - Cisco management may defend a so called brand - but this legal hassle we’ll just drop your stocks. Apple killed Skype in one day - it’s over.

mighty-joe Jan 11, 2007

Very well explained. And, although I’m a big Apple-fan, i must admit, that you are simply right. Thats it.
I wondered for myself why Apple was calling it iPhone at the MacWorld Expo keynote. Didn’t sound like it was a codename, that slipped.
So, go for it!

Cheers, joe

Daiko Jan 11, 2007

Very well put. You are of course right that Apple is a very aggressive enforcer of their trademark rights. I hope Apple can learn something from this lawsuit.

Tommo_UK Jan 11, 2007

AFAIK Cisco only own thr giths to ‘iPhone’ in the US. Apple own it in Europe and elsewhere. I’m not sure either you or Apple have a very strong argument frankly. The two of you should grow up and stop behving like spoiled brats.

Lamarr Wilson Jan 11, 2007

I’ve never seen a suit explained as clearly as this before.  Your openness is the reason that you will prevail in this suit.  Thanks for posting this information for all of us to read!  Great idea to blog it!

funvin Jan 11, 2007

But then when has Apple shown any respect, the kind of arrogant egoist company it is.

Martin Jan 11, 2007

Thanks for sharing your side of the story so openly. Great service to the community.

Halix Jan 11, 2007

Good response, but I think that Cisco should just accept the fact that Apple has almost a monopoly on iXYZ names - they startet all this with the iMac, iLife, iWork, iPod, etc…
Just search Googlefight.com for “iPhone AND Apple” and “iPhone AND Cisco”. Just ask anybody what the iPhone is, most people will say “Apples new phone” - only 2 days after Apple introduced it!
Accepting doesn’t mean not to defend their trademark but keep civilized discussions going on instead of declaring a legal war.
Apple had this one Keynote to launch the iPhone, so they had no choice but to go with the iPhone name.

Brian from PrezzaTech Jan 11, 2007

I applaud your openness on this issue Mark/Cisco.

I could be wrong but these are my thoughts:

Looks like the same aggressiveness of innovation that Steve Jobs re-introduced back into Apple has got Cisco beat here.

Now, after the MacWorld Keynote etc and the launch of iPhone publicly, Apple officially owns this word in the mind of consumers (and has for months now due to rumors and speculation).

All of this sounds like a setup for a lawsuit, but I wish companies would get back to listening to their bleeding edge customers in order to out-innovate their competitors. Not that Apple and Mac are really competitors… (well I guess they are in some markets) but still I think the point is valid.

But seriously, any word/brand with the little “i” in front of it is going to reek badly of being owned by Apple thus limiting potential marketability and clear definition of what the product is (esp if it’s not an Apple product).

So what’s left but an analogy to internet domain name squatting - Cisco should fight until Apple pays for their inability to play nice here.

Mary Wehmeier Jan 11, 2007

Mark:  Very well said. It is wonderful to see you discuss this matter openly and honestly with the facts. I am happy to see you and Cisco have joined the Cluetrain and disclosed the facts. It is too bad Apple can’t follow through on proper business practices in a timely manner. The iPhone name isn’t the first time Apple has pulled this game—check out why Apple changed the name of their new AppleTV. It was introduced last year at ITV. If memory serves me right, there were trademark problems with that name as well.

Best of Luck—
Mary Wehmeier

Mark Jan 11, 2007

It seems to me that this trademark fell into your lap, was never used, and Cisco was just squatting on it, attaching it to a product when you wanted to strengthen your case that it was actually used in trade.

If you guys are so sure that you have a strong case under the law, why are you asking for a jury trial? Plaintiffs usually prefer a non-jury trial when they have a strong case in a technical field like intellectual property, and a jury trial when they have a weak case and want to make an emotional appeal.

Josh Jan 11, 2007

Very well said, and Apple ARE completly wrong, BUT Cisco have clearly tried to bully apple into a business deal that Apple would have no interest in whatsoever. If Apple wanted to launch a VoIP phone (and I’m sure they will) then they’d do it independently and be stupidly succesful.

Both companies are in the wrong, but Cisco SHOULD win the lawsuit.

Never the less, it will be known as the iPhone even if not in the official sense, and i will be buying one.

letthempay Jan 11, 2007

even if i realy can’t agree with this ‘openness that Cisco reflects’ term. i think this open letter is a nice way to show the community more details about this suit about trademark infringement.

i am not at law expert. but well - apple might just have tought: “A: Well, how mutch money we might earn with our new (cool) iPhone product ? -B: Well how mutch might this lawsuit cost ?”

if previous history mentionted in this letter is all true. its my position that apple should pay hard for this kind of unfair practices.

(ps. sorry for bad engl. style)

Paschal Jan 11, 2007

Excellent post. On this one I have to agree with your position, it’s time that Apple apply the rules they setup for others. Apple used to be a long time ago the open company with a different culture, but now it seems they are just showing too much rogue attitude.

Vance Jan 11, 2007

If all the facts are right here, Cisco has the high ground by far. And it certainly is true that Apple would be even more aggressive if the roles were reversed. They’ve already shown that with the lawsuits over the “Pod” label.

mjwalshe Jan 11, 2007

Serves the Idiots at Apple right I have put my take on it on my blog.

Alwas thought it woudl end in tears.

Josh Jan 11, 2007

I think after this disregard for you as a company you should make them change the entire product name. 

No amount rebranding will end the confusion between these two products and you clearly have all the legal ammo you need to make this happen.

It would serve to teach them a little humility.

Oh and a public apology would be cool to see.

Joe Begalla Jan 11, 2007

Nicely done - your openness and objectivity is appreciated.

David Jan 11, 2007

Go get ‘em Cisco!  Apple’s arrogance knows no bounds.

Truthitude Jan 11, 2007

As much as I love the Apple phone, I have to agree with you guys here.  Hopefully, you guys can settle this soon.  I really don’t see Apple sharing a name or a platform with another company.  It’s just not how they operate and so far that’s worked out for them.  That said, I would love to see Cisco using the iPhone name to push a Voip application and not hardware… like Skype.  I think the brand would be perfect for it.  Good luck.

Luka Jan 11, 2007

Thanks for tha comment; a major blunder on Apple’s part, in my opinion.

A very cool phone though!

Jason Beaudreau Jan 11, 2007

Thanks for explaining your position.  I think any company would be obligated to protect their intellectual property.  I find the arrogance of Apple in this case to be appalling.

Andrew Jan 11, 2007

Thank you for standing up to Apple. I was shocked that they announced, and are promoting their phone based on another companies trademark..

You nailed it right on the nose when you said Apple will be aggressive when enforcing their trademarks - so what gives them the right to step on and infringe on another companies trademark?!?!

I’m glad that this happened with a major company (Cisco) because if it was a little guy who made a product in his bedroom and trademarked it, Apple would trounce all over it and still come out smelling like roses - Cisco will give Apple their due and hopefully prevent Apple from being so arrogant in the future.

ecollado Jan 11, 2007

Excelent, really smart and well explained. I think it is very important people to know about iPhone, Cisco iPhone.

Ryu Jan 11, 2007

The majority of the world don’t know about Cisco’s iPhone anyway, much less care about it. Given a choice most of the world would back Apple for the name. And Cisco’s demands are, in my opinion, too much anywayz. The Apple iPhone interoperable with a Linksys VoIP? Not in the world man.

PerpetualMotionUK Jan 11, 2007

As usual, Apple’s arrogance leads the way. The reality distortion field is strong in the Jobs.

Cisco have every right to protect their property and Apple need to wake up. I took Apple to be smarter than this, who knew.

Kakki Jan 11, 2007

I was also surprized to hear that news Apple announced new product named iPhone.
Actually, I got this information in Japan and I know Japanese products a lot .
In Japan, there is also a iPhone product which is famous for security system. At first, it will appear the problem with this Japanese company.
I’m not sure whethe there was an agument with this Japanese company or not. are there ?
I’m sure that Apple will boast that product and get large benefits someday, however, in my theory, I want you ‘cisco’ to insist and open approach that your product will interoperate in the future, though Apple ignore your intention.
I feel sympathy with your theory that if someone launched a product called iPod , Apple is a very aggressive enforcer of their trademark rights ! YES. that’s right.
Anyway I hope you have a good agument with Apple again and Apple will make a concession with you.
Masaki Kakki

Mead Jan 11, 2007

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/80463

Yeah Cisco is really great at wanting a open a approach.

God forbid we forget that the internet needs to not be teired but be a “open approach”

I agree however apple screwed up but don’t act all high and mighty, that cisco is the leader in open approaches. I’ll be happy to list all the NON-open approaches your product line has in them.

teflaime Jan 11, 2007

While Cisco might have a legitimate grievance with the trademark infringement, it’s not going to help Cisco sell their iPhone product. The purchase public associates the “i” prefix with Apple. Even if Apple changes the name of their product to the Apple Phone (the logical alternative), people are going to ask for Apple’s iPhone, as they have already associated the name “iPhone” with Apple. Speculation on when Apple would put out the iPhone began long before Apple even contemplated such a product.

Greg Jan 11, 2007

Wow. When I first heard the (Apple) iPhone announcement, I was wondering how long it would take for this to happen.

Seriously, it’s not like Apple could really delay Jobs’ keynote at MacWorld, or announce the (Apple) iPhone anywhere else, but wouldn’t you think that’d encourage them to fix this worked out ahead of time?

If nothing else, their blatant disregard for Cisco’s IP isn’t going to help the (largely untrue, by the way - I’m no Apple hater) popular conception of Apple being a company by and for stuck-up jerks.

junk.bot57 Jan 11, 2007

So sad.  You guys are so sad…..

edgar Jan 11, 2007

obviusly that you only want money, because all the products of apple are with “I” (Imac, Ipod,...) you are very bad because no one of your products have the name “I”(do you have Irouter? blah)

AWG Jan 11, 2007

“Our goal was collaboration. The action we have taken today is about not using people’s property without permission.”

If your goal was collaboration, why did you announce a phone with with the iPhone name one month ago? Why not just give Apple the name, since you weren’t using it, and it’s the natural name for their phone. Why spoil things for Apple, when it would cost you nothing. Where would Cisco be, if it wasn’t for Apple? Would there even be a Cisco? What I see in Cisco is smallmindedness.

hotfive Jan 11, 2007

Kudos to Cisco for presenting itself as compassionate and put-upon by the big, mean, ugly Apple monster. Even complete angels have to litigate every once in a while, especially when it comes to protecting the trademark on a product name nobody’s ever heard or seen before this Tuesday.

Craig Jan 11, 2007

Why haven’t you sued the other iPhone trademark abusers?

Why have you allowed websites/newspapers/other media to continually associate the iPhone trademark with an Apple product?

Thomas Jan 11, 2007

Interesting.  So you want to use the trademark that they wish to use as leverage to force them to design their product in a certain way (i.e. to use cisco great or to interop with your iphones). 

Clever.

I wonder if there’s a legal doctrine of “misuse of a trademark” just as their is for “misuse of a copyright.”

ChrisP Jan 11, 2007

Lame. It is just a name; get over it Cisco. Innovate, don’t litigate. I’m a Cisco (and Apple) stockholder.  My kids are Cisco and Apple stockholders. Cisco needs to stop this nonsense and get back to work creating some products for the future and stop trying to be a bully about a stupid name.

rus Jan 11, 2007

These statements contradict one another:

What were the issues at the table that kept us from an agreement? Was it money? No. Was it a royalty on every Apple phone? No. Was it an exchange for Cisco products or services? No.

Fundamentally we wanted an open approach. We hoped our products could interoperate in the future. In our view, the network provides the basis to make this happen—it provides the foundation of innovation that allows converged devices to deliver the services that consumers want.

I would consider collaboration a service and function of consulting and sharing.

Cisco is in a tight spot on this issue and I think while they will be able to defend it well, Apple will prevail because of the simple fact Cisco did not register iPhone.com (which the Internet Telephone Company owns), iPhone.org (which Apple owns) ... nor does Cisco own ALL international copyrights and trademarks to the name. (Apple owns 12 other trademarks for “iPhone” in OTHER countries)

Furthermore, products have been out FOR YEARS (called the iPhone) that are direct VOIP phone competitors ... why hasn’t Cisco prosecuted them?

I also believe Cisco just PURPOSELY released their VOIP phone (and called it “iPhone”) because they knew (as I did) that Apple was releasing a phone and were going to call it the “iPhone”. I completely understand Cisco’s position, but I think they are trying to take advantage of Apple in this particular instance.

Dug Falby Jan 11, 2007

Hi, great to find that Cisco is doing the employee blog thing:-)

Could you just clarify who “Cisco PR” is? Are these posts handled by a PR firm or do they come directly from senior Cisco personel?

I ask as the banner graphic sort of subliminally suggests an individual writer and the copy does nothing to counter this impression.

All the best,
Dug

Cisco Systems, Inc.
  Cisco Response:  This entry is written by our General Counsel, Mark Chandler, and was posted by the Cisco PR team.

Max Jan 11, 2007

Clearly, Apple is in violation of Cisco’s trademark on the iPhone name.  But that’s about where my “who’s wrong in this” evaluation ends, as far as bashing Apple.  Cisco says none of this is about money and it’s all about “open technology.”

Rubbish.  Cisco may not want a “cut” of every iPhone sold.  But they want access to the proprietary technology that Apple is using to create this phone.  They say they want this information all in the “spirit of openness”, but what they really want is access to this information so they can manufacture Cisco products that will capitalize on the juggernaut that will be the iPhone sales by selling Cisco “tag-along” products.

Cisco doesn’t do ANYTHING that isn’t about money.  That’s how they, and Microsoft, and yes, Apple, got where they are.

Jered Jan 11, 2007

You’re absolutely right. I like Apple products but this is just too arrogant of them. They’ve long accused Microsoft of just these tactics. I wish your deal could have been worked out. I’ve been awaiting a cell phone that can double as your home phone when you are at home for a long time.

Anthony Jan 11, 2007

I believe this whole thing is frivolous anyway. Cisco is suing to get publicity for their product that know one cares about. This whole thing is futile because Apple could change the name of their iPhone to iFeces and millions of people would STILL purchase one. I know I will.

vanni Jan 11, 2007

Interesting that on Monday evening you two super companies had not yet resolved the issue. was i just a case of the final crossing of tees and doting of eyes? odd that if you two were this CLOSE but that by late last night the court papers started flying. hope you two can kiss and make up. love ya both!
cheers

RamJaw Jan 11, 2007

I agree with this commentary from an idealistic standpoint, but I find it highly superficial realistically. 

Cisco is somewhat hypocritical to say chase Apple with its iPhone infringment but simply ignore the 5 or so other iPhone products out there on the market.  It appears that Cisco is starting to see green in this case because they realize the money that Apple can bring in through the use of Cisco’s “trademark”.  If they are concerned about their trademark, they should be fighting it vigorously like any term that becomes a household name (Band-Aid, Coca-Cola, Aspirin, etc.).  If Cisco really believes what they are saying here, they would have filed suit against the other companies that won’t bring in the potential profits Apple can. 

Further, just as cyber-squatting is questionable as a practice on the internet, trademark-squatting should be viewed similarly.  I understand that Cisco holds the trademark for iPhone, but such trademarking raises a question.  Why would a company that knows another company creates many “i” products trademark a name they had no intention of releasing a product for for several years.  It can be argued that iProducts should hold some clout in trademark law since it demonstrates precedent in the area.

I love Cisco and Apple—both are innovative companies—but neither is correct here.  Apple is wrong for announcing the name without holding trademark, but Cisco is just as wrong for being a trademark bully and to an extent a squatter.

Reinhard Haberfellner Jan 11, 2007

Despite the fact that this is the explanation of Cisco and we should here “the other side” before we are judging, it misses maybe the key point: How does it look and feel for the world outside? Despite of “justice” and “law” there is judgement from customers and the public.
How clever has it been to launch an iPhone a couple of weeks before Macworld, if the whole world means another thing by this term already? The jokes on engadget.com tell you more about this. How wise is it to make fools out of a brand like Cisco, which should know better that ownership for a word is less a matter of trademark than “the normative power of the facts”. Means that everybody knows i- whatsoever is whether an apple product or a cheap free-rider on Apples success. Period.
So regardles if you win in court or prove god knows what, you have lost already - in the “belly” of the public .

Anonymous Jan 11, 2007

To play devil’s advocate (and I am in no way a fanboy of Apple nor do I care that much about the iPhone), choosing the iPhone name considering Apple’s considerable investment in products with such names was an incredibly stupid idea.

Having worked in trademark litigation myself in the past, I can see this suit being resolved in Cisco’s favor.  However, as I previously stated, why would you even register the name?

ET Jan 11, 2007

Excellent! Apple would fight to the death if the roles were reversed so I think you are doing the right thing here.

Diller Jan 11, 2007

Bunch of bull. No one is going to use Cisco’s iPhone. Consumers don’t want it. You shouldn’t even try to say that is the case.

Afiq Fozi Jan 11, 2007

Now people, this is what you call good PR!

Marvellous response.

Kendall Ananyi Jan 11, 2007

Well written response and it explains all esp. the fact that every one knows how aggressively apple seeks to protect their tradmarks ianyproducttheyown, its only fair that they work with cisco or change they name - i am sure they are lots of othe r synonyms for phone that reflects web acess adn voice telephony

Tim Sutton Jan 11, 2007

Very well put. Good luck!

Average Joe Jan 11, 2007

It is Steve Jobs’ arrogance.

Because we are Apple and we can do anything!

“Let’s sue all the little companies that have a slight use of “Pod” in their names”

“But for us, it is ok to use names owned by other people.
Just like “Macintosh” that I christened my computer products and told my Apple staff before I actually got an OK from an audio company called “Mcintosh” “

CISCO IS CRAP Jan 11, 2007

I am making sure to throw away all my Cisco Products

scepia Jan 11, 2007

I understand it all, but Apple can’t exactly move Macworld. I hope there’s no hard feelings about this and you can work out some monetary settlement. It would be bad press for both of them if they had to change the name.

Barry Burton Jan 11, 2007

Look at Motorola and ROKR… they attempted collaborate with Apple but all they got was a phone that was overshadowed by the Nano at launch, was generally poorly reviewed and will now be eclipsed by the Apple phone and forgotten forever while Motorola’s in house music service continues to languish.

Clearly, Apple doesn’t play well with others.

The only unknown is whether it is because Apple is completely arrogant and impossible to work with or because other companies just don’t get the concept of going all out, making a GOOD product, and letting designers and engineers make products without the corrupting influence of marketing people.

I would say it is probably large helpings of both.

M1 Jan 11, 2007

I was curious about what was going on with the iphone name because I had read about Cisco’s ownership quite a while back. Excellent clarification of the issue, Thanks.

oaklander Jan 11, 2007

i’m no lawyer, but it seems anyone using the iAnything moniker should be paying homage to apple after the introduction of the iMac a decade ago. i find it hard to believe that the iPhone trademark dates back to 1996, but i trust you did your homework. then again, apple did most/all of the heavy-lifting gettng the iName into the modern vernacular and most/all devices using this iPrefix today are riding the wave of this legacy. i s’pose what it comes down to is: who do you think of when you say iSomething? 30 helens agree: it’d be apple, not cisco. and if cisco keeps the iPhone tradename, they’ll be riding the iWave as well, not the on the unknown past of an unknown startup.

Joe Preston Jan 11, 2007

Compelling logic and a very reasonable request as a settlement, considering there are plenty of names they could have used for their product.

Norbster Jan 11, 2007

Go get em Cisco! Apple is doing this same thing with the word “Podcast”. Glad to see someone giving them a taste of their own medicine!

gopi Jan 11, 2007

I must say, I don’t actually find much clarity in this post.

It speaks in very vague terms about some fuzzy things that were sticking points. It does not explain at all what was really being asked.

Clearly, Cisco and Apple are not agreeing. There has to be something substantive here.

“We hoped our products could interoperate in the future.”

Did Apple demand that Cisco publicly promise to never hope for interoperability? Of course not. You’re free to hope for interoperability.

But your statement is misleading. You didn’t just hope that, you hoped that Apple would agree to some specific agreement terms expressing this.

How was this hope expressed in the proposed agreement or public statement? Were you asking Apple to publicly state that they hoped that their Internet-enabled telephone would work properly with Cisco routers, or were you asking for specific technical changes or marketing behaviour?

Were you _hoping_ that Apple and Cisco products would interoperate, or were you _demanding_ that they interoperate in some specific manner?

Were you demanding that Apple support VoIP connections to your back-end systems? Were you demanding that Apple’s phone only speak to your back-end systems?


“And we wanted to make sure to differentiate the brands in a way that could work for both companies and not confuse people, since our products combine both web access and voice telephony.”

This is a very reasonable thing to want. However, since you haven’t clarified _how_ you wanted this done, it’s not clear whether what you wanted Apple to do was reasonable or not.

Did you want every Apple ad to mention Cisco’s products? Did you want a link to Cisco’s products on every Apple page that mentioned the iPhone?

Those would be, I believe, unreasonable requests - but they are within the description you provided for what you wanted.

If you want to be open, be specific. This post sounds like PR spin doctoring. Instead of claiming that Apple won’t allow you to have any hopes for the future, please explain what concrete things they won’t do.

Norbster Jan 11, 2007

Go get em Cisco! Apple is doing this same thing with the word “Podcast”. Glad to see someone giving them a taste of their own medicine!

Jason McCloy Jan 11, 2007

Mark,  In my opinion you should counsel Cisco to take the higher ground on this one.  We can both agree that more benefits exist for Cisco riding on the Apple iPhone name than Apple riding Cisco’s name.  Cisco Systems is not seen as a consumer facing company.  The strengths of Cisco Systems are in enterprise based solutions and the weak attempt at releasing a consumer facing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone three weeks ago is a testament to that.

Respectfully submitted.

Interested Student Jan 11, 2007

Dear fellow commenters.
No. No. No.
You can’t trademark a letter. Especially “i”. Intel already tried this. “i386” anyone?
I want to know what damage cisco has incurred that it will claim compensation for. Perhaps slader of title? Or maybe they just want an injunction to make apple stop using the iPhone until they own the trademark.

Anyway. Good luck with your case. Apple are clearly in the wrong here, but it’ll be interesting to see exactly which wrong.

Rudy Jan 11, 2007

This just confirms how arrogant Steve Jobs is.

Suresh Jan 11, 2007

Most Diplomatic. I entirely agree with the views expressed. Laws apart, a company of the stature of Apple should know better not to infringe upon someone else’s property. Intellectual or Otherwise. Anyway, I hope Cisco and Apple find an amicable solution.

Pat Jan 11, 2007

Apple’s going to end up changing the name to “ApplePhone” with the Apple Icon appearing in front of the word “Phone” just as they have with “AppleTV.” 

They just didn’t want to confuse the issue at rollout time because the press (and everyone else) has been calling their product iPhone for years.  Now that it’s out there, they’ve got 6 months (and 5 months of advertising for AppleTV to switch it over to ApplePhone and be comfortable in the public’s mind.

That goes hand-in-hand with dropping Apple Computer, Inc. as their name and replacing it with Apple, Inc.  In the future, Apple Computers will be one subset of the company, Apple Phone another, Apple TV another… and, who knows, maybe ApplePod down the road.

Just my 2 cents.

Savio Rodrigues Jan 11, 2007

Thanks for the insight.

Are you able to comment on whether the interoperability deal was exclusive in nature? 

If so, then maybe I can see why Apple didn’t agree (and hence should have used another brand name for their phone).  But otherwise, kudos on taking the open route vs. the walled garden route.

Bailey Jan 11, 2007

I think most people who have been following this story are actually sympathetic to your plight.  It’s a shame that Apple couldn’t make more of an effort to come to an agreement with you over the use of the iPhone trademark.  While I personally disapprove of the way Apple seemingly “bullied” it’s way into the use of the name “iPhone”, I can also understand their intense desire to name their phone in accordance with the rest of their i-products.  I would like to see Apple offer to pay a substantial amount of capital (perhaps in the form of royalties) to share or purchase this name which will add immeasurable sentimental value to a line of products millions of consumers use and enjoy.

john Jan 11, 2007

Why doesn’t cisco go after other products that have the iPhone name.

Seems like Cisco is trying to ride on Apple’s coat-tails.

LCK Jan 11, 2007

For all of those who post comments like “Apple’s/Jobs’ arrogance”, Apple’s comeuppance, etc. please take note of one fact:

Apple’s iPhone is the SIXTH phone with that name in the market.

Cisco has only sued ONE for trademark infringement.

Why is this so?

appleuser Jan 11, 2007

Could someone update me briefly on Trademark law, could’nt Apple just change the name to iphone (Lower case i, lower chase “phone” and be legal. or maybe even i, followed by phon, I thought a trademark had to contain a certain style of lettering ?  So normal combinations of english language letters can be registered trademarks ??

Cisco Fan Jan 11, 2007

Good on Cisco!

Apple is marketing a silly little toy of a phone that is nothing special and you have just given them a taste of reality!

andrew Jan 11, 2007

What I found odd to begin with is that Cisco released an iPhone when *everyone knew* that Apple was developing what would very very probably be called the iPhone.

Regardless of trademarks and so on, iPhone was already an Apple product in the public’s mind long before Cisco even mentioned anything about their own “iPhone” product.

But whatever, Cisco needs to take their cut and get a piece of the action, because the contrast between Cisco’s iPhone and Apple’s will be nearly night and day, in terms of market share, profits, and feature set.

JeffArizona Jan 11, 2007

Amazing to read this stuff.  Both camps.  This is the Cisco that couldn’t have cared less that spanning tree issues killed AppleTalk and in the early days, made it very difficult to have Apple machines on a network.  All of you people were happily singing “Apple is Dead” back in the late 90’s. Like some school yard bullies you laughed and called Apple “beleaguered” and “irrelevant” well, like the nerdy kid that grows up Apple is now the big man on campus and you just can’t stand it can you.  Funny to see the reactions and attitude.

Phil Jan 11, 2007

I am in the telecommunications field and have bought and researched many products branded i-something.

Apple does not have any sort of right to “i-names” in general, most people in the technology world know this.

Apple does have every right to keep producing proprietary products.  It currently makes them money.  But once they run out of interesting products to come out with I think this strategy will backfire.  It has before.

Personally, I hope Cisco refuses to let Apple use the name at all.  With the money involved I doubt that will happen, but it would serve Apple right.

Melikoth Jan 11, 2007

I see this going both way.  Naming their product iPhone despite not owning the trademark keeps consistancy with most of their recent product line. I also think that while Cisco is enforcing their IP rights, that this is also a plug for their iPhone product.  I say this because I had never heard of Ciscos iPhone product until I read about this lawsuit.  Was Apple wrong, all signs point to yes.  However from my point of view this seems like the result of planned negotiation breakdowns for marketing purposes.

Dan J Jan 11, 2007

I just wanted to compliment your response. i applaud your efforts and support your complaint. Apple does not get to disregard rules as they choose…..and it is my belief that they would have been the first to jump all over someone for using one of their trademarks.

Brandon Jan 11, 2007

CISCO stop acting like a baby…let Apple use the name.  Let them pay you a fee.  Your iphone is crap anyway, so any extra advertising of this terrible product is going to make your company look bad.

Bobby Jan 11, 2007

Regarding the question as to why Cisco has not sued other companies who use the name iPhone…

Is it not possible that said companies came to an agreement with Cisco and/or received permission from Cisco to use the name?

sunol Jan 11, 2007

First off - I am a complete Apple user. Apple everything. I got into Apple in part because of MSFT reaching too far in to my life.
But Apple’s recent moves remind me of how awful it would have been if they won the PC war in the 80’s.
At least MSFT just wants to own all the software. Apple wants the software… the hardware… and now YOUR content that YOU paid for. Apple - why can’t I stream iTunes to a stereo using a non-Apple device on my own home network? And now you want me to buy Apple TV? Forget it - I am going to scope out a Linux system and own what I paid for.

Those that bag on Cisco for interoperability forget how their Mac connects to a Sun or MSFT server on the internet using IP… or that Apple wanted to own that too with AppleTalk…I use equipment from a variety of vendors on my home IP network. It all inter-operates just fine… I only have issues with content I purchased from Apple going to a non-Apple device…

Next product from Apple? The iP network.  Someone needs to stand up to Apple and demand interoperability.

BW Jan 11, 2007

You don’t think it’s a case of jumping on the “i” bandwagon and trying to ride it?  Why else would someone squat of an iPhone trademark for 6-7 years? 

I think McDonals has been pretty successful swatting down the hundreds of McBlank rip-offs that have cropped up over the years?

Venky Jan 11, 2007

I agree. If someone launched an IPod operating system, Jobs would sue the hell of out them

CARP Jan 11, 2007

rock on!

I’m going to return my VRRP phone asap for infringing on internet rfcs!

Thomas Hebert Jan 11, 2007

A well-stated argument. Regardless of whether the name ‘iPhone’ originated with Cisco, Inc. or not, Cisco is the legal rights-holder.

Of course, one could make the arguement that interoperability with products that comprise the Apple juggernaut is more valuable than simple money or royalties, so Cisco may indeed have been asking for something very dear (depending on the details of the deal)

Anyway Apple seems to be pushing the envelope with names lately. The Beatles/Apple renegotiation thing, as well as their enthusiasism in sticking the letter “i” in front of everything seems a little tiresome.

I generally like Apple products by the way.

Justin Crites Jan 11, 2007

gopi:

“Those would be, I believe, unreasonable requests - but they are within the description you provided for what you wanted.”

Cisco owns the trademark.  They can offer any agreement they want with Apple, and Apple must agree or not use their mark.  There is no such thing as an “unreasonable request” when it comes to your property.  The trademark “iPhone” is Cisco’s property, and ANY agreement they propose involving its use is completely reasonable because THEY own it and decide how it’s used.

You’re obviously just an Apple fanboi who is upset that your favorite company doesn’t get to stomp on others’ rights for free.

I, for one, hope Cisco denies Apple use of the mark to make an example of them.  Far too long have companies like Apple acted like hypocrites, protecting their rights defiantly while stomping on everyone else’s.  Keep the name, Cisco; and let companies know that when they act like assholes they will be punished accordingly.

jim h Jan 11, 2007

I call BS. I haven’t read about Cisco’s vigorous pursuit of trademark over iPhone.com (owned by GoDaddy and created before Infogear’s iPhone product in 1996) or iPhone.org (created in 1999 and pointed to apple.com). Has Cisco not done the basic things that every has-been washed up actor has done already: protected their mindshare with disputes to ICANN?

Cisco is looking to capitalize on someone else’s buzz. Pushing out iPhone-labeled hardware not a month before Apple’s widely-rumored announcement smacks of a planned self-victimization in order to better convince a judge and jury of real damages. Cisco might win such a lawsuit based on their ownership of the name, or they might lose since they were obviously unconcerned with other usurpers and could be said to have had no interest in their iPhone trademark.

Whatever. The truth is, people are talking about Cisco now, and there’s no such thing as bad pub.

james Jan 11, 2007

Well, I find the lawsuit to be silly but great marketing for a product that would have otherwise gone unnoticed. Kudos on the media coup, but in the long run it will highlight that Cisco is truly an Enterprise company. In the Enterprise market you have commoditized products, vicious competition and buyers who normally don’t function well outside of a lab. Cisco NETWORKERS is a great vehicle for them, but selling a device into someone’s home or back pocket is different.

So, a different sensibilty and DNA is required. Frankly, I think that most folks are scared of Cisco trying to branch into the Consumer market from a quality perspective. You can’t buy quality…only technology. Enterprise grade is very different from Consumer grade. 


Also, Cisco has made BOLD legal moves against innovators in the past(companies and individuals), such as the fiasco at BlackHat a few years ago. That one only backfired… a famous researcher went over to Juniper, and the hacker community further exploited Cisco security vulnerablities. Net Result: Cisco’s $830 million purchase of a security company to fill one of at least 4 major areas of security that the company is lacking in.


I have worked in the trenches of marketing at Cisco, and competed with and beaten it at various startups also. Made some money off of them by just ignoring and focusing.


These next couple of years will interesting, but I am not really worried about it. Just focusing. True innovation and quality will always win the day…

WTF Jan 11, 2007

Cisco, you may get paid, but your phone will also get steamrolled.

Good luck on the whole “phone” thing…you’ve already lost.

People around the world know Apples’ iPhone, yet they, most likely, have never heard of yours….

Denise B. Jan 11, 2007

Very well said Mark Chandler, and Cisco.  I too am a fan of Apple products, however, their behavior and attitude has made me think twice as a consumer. What Apple did was flat out WRONG. Trademarks are trademarks. Period.  I’m rooting for you all the way Cisco!!!

Tomas Jogin Jan 11, 2007

Cisco has not defended its iPhone brand in the past, there are several other companies referring to their VoIP-products as “iPhone”. I believe you will lose the brand in court, and that Apple is right to challenge your brand.

However, if you had defended the trademark properly in the past, the situation would be quite different.

Cisco Systems, Inc.
  Note: We have defended our iPhone Trademark in the past, prior to the Apple issue.

Terry S Jan 11, 2007

Apple would sue if someone else used iPod, iTunes, iMac, etc.  You were right in protecting your trademark.  I can understand that an iPhone was the most logical route to go for Apple, but they should have worked out the trademark issue with Cisco first, regardless of how Apple-like iPhone.  It isn’t Apple’s trademark.

Sam G. Jan 11, 2007

While technically, Cisco is in the right, to claim that they are doe-eyed innocents in this matter is ridiculous.

1) Why did Cisco name their phone the iPhone? Easy - it’s because they hope to capitalize on the name cachet that Apple has spent years - and millions of dollars - in cultivating. If the iPhone trademark was so valuable for you, why’d you discontinue the product once you bought Netgear? Oh sure, you shipped and supported it. But you didn’t invest a cent in creating new models or advertising your current models until you could ride off Apple’s investment in the iWhatever suite of products. Plus you let several other companies - none of them even close to Apple’s size - use the iPhone name!!

2) As you state yourself, you’ve discussed the rights to the name for the past 5 years. You KNEW that Apple wanted to make this product. As you state yourself, you didn’t ask for money, nor royalties, nor for Apple to contract out Cisco for services. No, as another poster stated earlier, you wanted IN. You wanted to be a part of the Apple fraternity, and you thought you could wield the iPhone trademark over Jobs’ head like a Sword of Damocles.

Hell, I’ll bet you rushed your product to market and slapped the iPhone name on it PRECISELY because you read the WSJ and said, “hey, we own the iPhone trademark, we could screw with Apple because they refused to work with us.”

Well, now Steve called you on it.

You may be right in a court of law, but what you are doing is quite frankly underhanded.

Damon Jan 11, 2007

You have been talking with Apple about this since 2001. Sounds to me like you have been holding out for SIX YEARS. For what? Hmmmm.

Cisco IP-Phone I know. Cisco iphone product please. Have they really been around for six years? I hope Apple changes the name to Apple Phone or iCellPhone or whatever. Apple coined iNoun. Others lack enough creativity to create their own brand so they squat on iNoun until Apple has to ask to buy it. Reminds me of domain name squaters. nissan.com anyone? Maybe the problem is the system?

Cidney Jan 11, 2007

Supports Cisco all the way!!!
Apple is crooks, they violate trademark laws.

they don’t let people use ipod in anyways….

anyway, supports Cisco.

ManC Jan 11, 2007

You may own the rights to the IPhone name….But ur IPhone sucks…The Apple IPhone has so much more then the pi of crap you’re trying to sell…even if you win the case Apple has a better product then u ever will.

Tim Jan 11, 2007

Great blog post.  I hope Apple takes notice of support you are getting.

Calvin Jan 11, 2007

Steve will PWN you.

As stated above, apple owns the iPhone trademark in what, 10+ other countries? They may have legal ground on that alone to beat Cisco.

Then we’ll get into Cisco’s ‘openness’ and ‘willingness’ to work with Apple. Apple does not need you. I agree with most that you were trying to piggieback their success.

To those who say Steve Jobs is arrogant. Hell yeah, and rightfully so.

mcic Jan 11, 2007

I am writing this from an Apple MacBook Pro - but I fully support you in being so open and honest about the trademark misuse for iPhone.  Apple’s position is wrong - and hopefully they will come to an agreement, or if not, that this lawsuit resolves the issue.

William Robinson Jan 11, 2007

When Apple first used the “i” for a product [the first cancy colored iMacs] the letter stood for Internet. The first iMac was “internet ready.” The new Apple iPhone is again an internet ready device. The Cisco phone uses internet telephony, but doesn’t seem to be a browser. And wasn’t the original trademark Cisco inherited “iPhonenetworks” and not iPhone?

Jamie Jan 11, 2007

For those who aren’t that familiar with trademark law, the basic principal is to ensure that one product isn’t mistaken for another.

For example, Apple could take action if you tried to create a music player with a name that was very similar to “iPod”. However, if you designed a ski container for a car’s roof and called it a “skiPod”, you would probably get away with it.

Note that owning a trademark doesn’t give you complete rights over the trademark. Competitors can happily mention that trademark. The trademark simply prevents ambiguous naming of products.

You certainly do have to question Cisco’s timing of bring the iPhone label into use again. However, as the trademark owners, they have every right to do so. They have the rights to the trademark, and may choose to bring it into use at almost any time they like.

As for the people who say that Cisco should just sign over the name, you’re only seeing a small part of the picture. Apple may have the trademark registered in a large number of countries, but not in all countries. Cisco own the trademark in the USA. Another company has it in Japan (as mentioned in another post). Apple don’t get instant worldwide rights because of some sort of “majority rule”.

I certainly hope that Cisco hold onto the iPhone name and don’t let Apple use it. If Cisco gives in, then the other iPhone trademark holders around the world have no chance.

Savvy Jan 11, 2007

Apple sues for every small thing that carries thier brand name in this world. They did’nt even left small tools like juice until they change thier name from iPodder. Good job cisco !

Jarrod Jan 11, 2007

I applaud Cisco for responding to this via blog post. A very open, thoughtful response like this goes a long way.

But I too echo the concerns left by others about the history of the “iWord” approach to product naming. This is Apple’s territory, and Cisco’s intent smacks of co-opting another brand’s style.

I think of it like this: McDonald’s hasn’t trademarked the term “McFalafel” yet. But that doesn’t (or at least shouldn’t) make it okay for me or anyone to lay trademark claim on that term and sit on it for years.

The same is true with the “iName” naming convention. This is Apple’s thing, at least in the consumer’s mind.  Cisco can try to play ignorant, and point out that the exact letters I-P-H-O-N-E weren’t trademarked yet, but that’s just silly. If the issue is about causing consumer confusion in the marketplace, I would argue that Cisco, not Apple, is at fault and has been for years.

(And yes, I recognize that current trademark law doesn’t support naming conventions as much as it supports exact matches…)

Josh Jan 11, 2007

Good for you! 

It annoys me that they think they’re so big, they can just do whatever they want.

Well, Cisco will NOT be bullied!  And the lawsuit proves it.  They need to respect other companies and not assume the world revolves around them. smile

gopi Jan 11, 2007

@Justin:
‘Cisco owns the trademark. They can offer any agreement they want with Apple, and Apple must agree or not use their mark. There is no such thing as an “unreasonable request” when it comes to your property. The trademark “iPhone” is Cisco’s property, and ANY agreement they propose involving its use is completely reasonable because THEY own it and decide how it’s used.’

That’s a ridiculous position to take. Yes, there is such a thing as an unreasonable request. If the local Ford dealer decides to start charging $10m per car, that is unreasonable. That doesn’t mean you can go in and take the car and leave behind $20k or whatever you think it’s worth. It’s very common to have the right to be unreasonable.

Cisco has every right to be unreasonable since it is their trademark. I’m only arguing against their spin, because they issued a public statement that was highly misleading.


“You’re obviously just an Apple fanboi who is upset that your favorite company doesn’t get to stomp on others’ rights for free.”

Obviously. Name calling is easier than actually arguing the issues.

The entire point of this item from Cisco was to claim that Cisco’s demands were reasonable. Cisco seems to feel the need to portray their requests as reasonable. I’m just trying to cut through the marketing spin and get out what the truth is.

Scotty1024 Jan 11, 2007

I would have been more impressed with Cisco if you had kept negotiating instead of suing with in 12 hours.

Now you just look angry and unprofessional.

Apple’s back was to the wall and you come off to me as kicking them rather than working with them as you claim. If you were truly committed to the negotiations now is the time to prove it.

Jayzee Jan 11, 2007

Cisco has not defended the iPhone name enough. Cisco did not object when Time Magazine, The WSJ, The NYT, USA Today, scores of other publications, and hundreds of bloggers used the word iPhone when referring to an Apple product -  time and time again over a period of years.

Apple’s use of the term iPhone will NOT cause confusion in the marketplace, because consumers ALREADY think the iPhone IS the Apple product. They thought that even before Apple used the term iPhone for the first time.

Kimberly-Clark did not protect their trademarks; Coca-Cola did. Now Apple is calling there iPhone the Apple iPhone, and can argue that the common use of iPhone does not refer to your products.

iSue Jan 11, 2007

- The “i” prefix thing will ALWAYS relay to Apple products for consumers.

- Others iPhone on the market and never prosecute them, until Apple’s???

- Apple approached you about the iPhone trademark as far back as 2001????

Why didn’t you just said NO the first time. Six years of planning to sue Apple, Mmmmm?

I think Cisco (and other interests) wanted to attracted Apple in an ambush. Boy, this is a (busyness) jungle!

This is clearly not about Trademarking or IP, this is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

iDude Jan 11, 2007

Apple is now trying to bully a company which is much larger and has much deeper pockets. It’s worked for them against much smaller companies but this time they’ve picked the wrong fight.

Cisco owns the iPhone trademark. Period, end-of-story.

You can make all the emotional comments you’d like but the law is the law.

The only comment from Apple is that the lawsuit is “silly”. It’s not, so work with Cisco or abandon the name. It’s really that simple.

Thanks Cisco for being open and fighting the good fight.

Peace out.

-iDude (tm)

Toby Jan 11, 2007

Bravo for allowing all sides of the debate on your blog. Nothing says ‘openness’ like hosting your critics.

JD Jan 11, 2007

Funny. The iMac trademark was filed for on March 8th, 1993. Check the US Patent and Trademark Office. It’s fully searchable on the web. So Cisco’s claim that the iPhone trademark is 1996, “before iMacs and iPods were even glimmers in Apple’s eye.” is a bunch of hooey. I’d say the iMac was a glimmer in Apple’s eye prior to 1993.

I call bullshit.

iSuck (sm) Jan 11, 2007

Cisco should defend it’s trademark, and reading all the pro-apple comments on this blog makes me believe that they were all written by 13-16 year old 733n5.

Reason Jan 11, 2007

This phone was named by speculators because of Apple’s use of the “iName.” It was assumed by consensus the Apple phone would be called this. Apple appears to have tried to resolve this and gave it’s audience what is wanted.

To wit “I doubt Linksys minds that their choice of name for this line of phones has solidly collided with the incessantly growing rumors around a possible phone from Apple.” -VoIP Week in Review, http://www.tmcnet.com/news/2006/12/22/2192698.htm

Apple appears to have opened dialog about the name of this product with Cisco. Cisco seems to wanted to share the trademark if Apple was willing to comply to share proprietary technology that Apple is using to create this phone offering Cisco a technological edge in their market. Cisco appears to have tried to leverage the use of the name to their advantage. My bet is that Apple was willing to pay handsomely for the use of the name, given that they have already set precedent in prefixing their products with the “i.” Cisco most likely turned down favorable terms because Apple refused to budge on the technology issue and accurately did not confuse trademark with copyright/patent. Apple, has in fact set a recognizable standard in naming their products this way, starting with the iMac. The real rub is that while Cisco has the name, the public/press has also set the standard by referring to this phone as the “iPhone.” Think “Kleenex.” If the word is continued to be used by the public even though Apple names it MacPhone or iFone, Cisco could lose the name.

I can see the trademark issue, but I think Apple could beat this because of the bigger issue at hand, the “iName” use set a standard in consumers minds as being Apple products. People that know Apple know the “i” means “internet” (iMac, iLife, iWork, iPhoto). Cisco was foolish to try and capitalize on this name. Apple is not after companys who name fedora hats “iHat.”

Cisco is heavily lawyering up under the guise of trademark to force Apple to share technology. Apple can walk away from this name and Cisco incurs no damages. The product has not been released, until recently nobody ever heard of or cared for the Cisco iPhone.

Nobody is buying the Cisco iPhone. I bet the majority of Cisco employees don’t use a Cisco iPhone. Get the point? How could the genral public confused the trademark with a product the majority of people have never heard of? Nobody was eagerly awaiting the Cisco product, but the Industry was waiting for the Apple product.

I get the tradmark thing but squatting on it to leverage Apple wasn’t very bright. Yours is a Cordless VOIP phone, theirs is a cell phone+. I think Cisco turned this into an issue they could have benefitted from.

CYW Jan 11, 2007

Beiside “Today’s iPhone is not tomorrow’s iPhone”, Today’s iPhone is not yesterday’s iPhone too.

CYW

Dale Jan 11, 2007

All the apple nerds here act like apple owns “i” I(<property of Apple) think Cisco will stomp Apple because they have owned the name iPhone before the “i” branded products were on the market. I(<<property of Apple) think its so funny that Apple nerds are crying about this. Hell if I(<<property of Apple) owned the name iPhone I(<<property of Apple) would want to cash in on Apples money too!You would be retarded not to.

Keith Elder Jan 11, 2007

They are charging $499 and $599 for the dang thing so why not hit ‘em with a $100 per unit license fee.  Get crazy on them!

Jason Jan 11, 2007

It’s completely appropriate that Cicso protect its trademark.  I agree that Apple is far more aggressive when it comes to their trademarks and rightfully so, they always have the hot products and surely want to control and protect their identity as much as possible.  They truth is they actually both win here. I think the negotiations just didn’t get finalized in time before MacWorld and they had to run with it and deal with Cisco’s reaction later.  No matter, they both win:

1) Not too many people have heard of the iPhone from Cisco.  Cisco wins here because more people will be drawn to their product and want to know what their iPhone is all about.  They will probably get a nice bump in sales until the name dispute is settled. 

2) Apple is the one in a no lose situation here.  The courts might actually allow them to use the name, unlikely though. If that’s the case it’s basically a bonus for them and great they get to use iPhone.  If the courts rule against them then oh well, they’re where they were in the beginning and they can call it the ApplePhone.  “Nothing ventured, nothing gained for Apple”.  The litigation fees are not anything of consequence in the end.

Think about this.  Jobs called it “iTV” before it’s official launch Tuesday and now officially they call it the “Apple Logo + TV” and they could easily do that for this phone at official launch date.  Why not just have it Apple logo + phone as well?  People would call it the Apple Phone. Simple enough and they’ll go that route I’m sure after the lawsuit.

Everybody on the planet has heard of an iPod so of course they want to be able to use iPhone.  They’ve got the iPod, iTunes, iPhoto, iMac, iLife, iWork, etc. If they can use it great, that’s a bonus and if not no big deal, they’ll add their logo in front of phone, like they did with the iTV.

APPLE WINS BIG HERE. Think of the 6 months of build up leading up to the “Apple Phone” and they get to milk the media for all it’s worth for free! Look at how they dominated the media up to MacWorld.  People nearly forgot about the CES show this week in Vegas, which is the tech industry’s biggest show. The media is their puppet and they are the masters of the strings.  Remember, that even bad press like this sells products because it brings more people to the stores to see what all the talk is about. The financial consequences of Apple infringing on the name iPhone, especially a product that is not even out yet is going to be marginal compared to the amount of attention and buzz the lawsuit creates. The media attention is 1,000x more valuable than the name.

The bottom line is that Apple has innovated a remarkable product in it’s phone and the bar has been raised up a couple notches.  Even if you don’t like the fact that they are pushing their weight and popularity around a little with this dispute, they still are true innovaters and have great products.  People that don’t like Apple for this reason forget that’s exactly what Microsoft has done for years and years.  That’s just the way the game has to be played in this cut throat tech industry.

I’m very excited that OSX will be running the phone because it’s such an innovative and powerful platform. I can’t wait to get one, despite what they call it! They could call it the Zunerino and I’d still buy it!

Suds Jan 11, 2007

What would happen if they just renamed it the “Apple iPhone” would that still be a violation of copyright?

Michael Fortson Jan 11, 2007

iPhone has been inexorably linked to Apple in the minds of the public and press of the world for years, and this has happened without the use of the word on Apple’s part. Why do you think the Linksys product launch last month generated news and was the butt of jokes all over the world? “The iPhone has been released!” was big news, and the punch-line was that it had nothing to do with Apple.

Cisco claims good faith negotiations, but then dons an obtusity hat in refusing to understand how a Macworld keynote can’t just be put off for a few more hours or days in order to wait for whatever concessions Cisco was holding out for. If you were truly close to reaching a deal, understanding that an event that has been planned for a year still has to go forward does not seem an unreasonable expectation. After all, 4000 attendees and the press corps can’t be simply re-scheduled at the last minute. Not to mention the planning and rehearsal that goes into making such a launch an Apple-level success to begin with.

The right thing to do would have been to pick up where you left off and finish the negotiations. If anything, you are in more of a position of power since they have publicly committed to using the name in the final product.

Taking this action can do nothing but sour the relationship. You know “world + dog” have been waiting for this from Apple. So please, work it out.

Matthew Ellis Jan 11, 2007

This comment forum is doing a great job at showing how different personalities (jurors) will immediately react to Cisco’s plea in court.  Once further logical discussions are had, however, I believe most of the sympathizers will concede to the arguments being presented by some of the Apple apologists.  In comparing the evidence from the source blog entry and both camps, I am most impressed by what’s coming out of the pro-Apple ‘side’.  It seems reasonable that a decent lawyer working for Apple will take it case far beyond those comments, which would likely win over the jury.  I agree that this lawsuit will end up providing Cisco nothing substantial beyond publicity.  Apple will change their product’s name or win the suit.

Darren Kopp Jan 11, 2007

Apple is a lamer that thinks that they are god in the computer/multimedia industry. if they would get over their ego, they might survive.

Jason Jan 11, 2007

Of-course, Cicso say it’s not about money as if they wouldn’t benefit tremendously finanically from some sort of intergration with the iPhone. Maybe this is all a front. Maybe their demands at the time of ‘expecting closure’ were actually deliberately quite unreasonable just to spite Apple and then sue them had they dare use the brand name the next day (knowing that the iPhone name would be posted all over Apple posters, presentations and of-course the phone itself).

CYW Jan 11, 2007

It’s amazing that APPLE dropped the attempt to reach a trademark-permission deal with Cisco at the final moment. Looks they lost the control of their mind.

CYW

Josh K Jan 11, 2007

You guys are hilarious… It’s like the two camps are bracing up for war.

For one, It doesn’t matter if 100% of this thing was designed outside Cupertino… Apple owns it…

Secondly, Cisco obviously has Apple believing that the negotiations were as good as done.  Multi-billion dollar companies don’t throw around names and such without doing research…

Oh, and I forgot who posted… but Steve was one of the original computer revolution founders… do your research, or at least go watch a movie version of it like “Pirates of Silicon Valley”... “His Steveness” knows what he’s doing, whether you like it or not.  It’ll cost him some money sometimes, but he knows what he’s doing…

I just lost a lot of respect for Cisco, and will be moving any networking equipment that I purchase for personal use or work to 3Com or another company.  Way to mislead people Cisco…

The bar has been raised Cisco, Motorola, Nokia, RIM, and all you other cell phone/device companies… Time to catch up…

Oddly enough, I’m listening to my iPod as I type this on a Windows machine…

James Jan 11, 2007

How is Cisco not infringing or diluting any number of apple trademarks? imac, ibook, ipod, itunes, iwork, ilife. ithink I see a far more developed brand identity then what Cisco could even possibly have. Back in the day if you were sitting on that trademark, and that trademark happened to be a domain name you’d be nothing but a common cyber-squatter. Common just common. I think the reason Apple has gone ahead with launching the iPhone (and been so arrogant in the process) is because they have probably considered this question with legal, and concluded that they have a pretty nice infringement and or dilution claim against Cisco vis a vis a good chunk of their entire product line.

ChewOnThis Jan 11, 2007

Interesting and Cisco has a point - they also have a product wholly UNLIKE Apple’s product. The Cisco IPhone isn’t even a mobile device. Yes it is a multi function device, but its STILL just a desktop phone. I would have to belive that some sort of agreement can be reached between the two companies.

Sure, Cisco can go for the throat with Apple, but why not make things mutally beneficial instead? Allow both companies use of the name and benefit both companies?

Or just sue the pants off Apple and give them even more publicity and make Cisco look bad to all the fanboys and girls….

Ryan R Jan 11, 2007

I just wanted to mention that law is reasonless. It seems like most of the pro-apple people seem to think a jury will decide if Cisco or Apple get to use the ‘iphone’ name.

The truth is the judge will say this:

Judge: Who owns the trademark to iPhone?
Cisco: We do.
Judge: Cisco owns the names trademark and therefore anyone other than Cisco using it is in violation of trademark law.

What I’m saying is that its black and white.  The court and the judge don’t care if apple has tagged the letter “i” in front of all their product names.  Unless they own the trademark they have no grounds for argument.  Otherwise all law is liquid and can be changed by emotion, which in the case of law - law is reasonless.  There is no reasoning your way around a black and white lawsuit.  The owner has the rights the non-owner has no rights. Period.

Victor Jan 11, 2007

Steve jobs not even mentioned about the dispute on the iphone trademark during the announcement of ‘iphone’. Isn’t this his arrogance or what ?

IPPhone Jan 11, 2007

Cisco is in the consumer market

* In the summer Cisco changed their logo to help it get into the consumer market

* $500 million to acquire the Linksys

* $7.0 billion cash for Scientific-Atlanta

* $61 million in cash and stock for KiSS Technology

If Cisco is not in the consumer market, who is?

Just one more thing, Cisco has sold more IP Phones anybody eles, plus if you want to say who has the most sexy ip phone.. Just look at 7971 which is on TV shows like “24”. Also leads the way in open protocols like SIP & H.323.

sblasl Jan 11, 2007

I think the name is in the Public Domain. Apple did not name this product, the public & media named it. Apple “adopted” the name. Cisco decided to put a lame product out at the last moment and call it a “iPhone”.

The public will never accept a product from anyone else but Apple if it is called “iPhone”.

Cisco, do the right thing, let Apple & the public have it’s “iPhone”.

James Xu Jan 11, 2007

It is ironic that Apple just WANT to use its publicity to violate the law. Let’s see whether there will have justice.

JoeJoe Jan 11, 2007

But what does the “i” stand for? Internet? Does Apple really have a stronger claim to Internet products than Cisco?

Scooby Jan 11, 2007

It absolutely amazes me the amount of vitriolic commentary posted on this blog by the pro-Apple crowd. For being “hip”, they sure seem to have a poor attitude and even worse ethics. I understand Apple is kewl, but THEFT is definitely NOT KEWL.

Here’s the fact: Apple didn’t get what they wanted so they took it.

What is right about that?

Get a clue and a grip. Apple screwed up here and I hope they learn from their mistake.

Jordan Winkelman Jan 11, 2007

This is all a case of corporate greed on both sides.  Both Apple and Cisco should be ashamed of themselves.

Apple should have picked a different name when it became apparent that Cisco was not going to sell them the trademark.  That said Cisco seems really disingenuous in this situation as they say they wanted to be open in the situation and utilized all of the free publicity over the last several months in regards to the iPhone to push inaccurate information out to the various media outlets and blogs so they could capatilize on the mindshare of a product being developed by a different company.

My guess is that Linksys was releasing a VOIP phone in December and Cisco hoped to garner the buzz Apple was building.  It was about the poorest kept secret in Silicon Valley that Apple was working on a phone after all.  Cisco would come off a lot better if they would simply acknowledge that they wanted more money than Apple was willing to pay.  I am glad I sold my shares in Cisco recently as they are certainly not looking out for their shareholders if they are not looking to monetize a possible relationship like that.

In regards to trademarks.  Trademarks are frequently given for the same name in different industries as long as they can’t be confused for each other.  Cisco makes networking equipment and VOIP phone systems, Apple makes Computers and Consumer Electronics, nobody is going to mistake the industrial design of cisco for the elegant design of Apple.  Cisco is also NOT the only company with a trademark on the term iPhone.  I found three other iPhone trademarks at uspto.gov.  In fact the company referenced in the link I am posting below looks like it might have a whole lot more to say than Cisco does.  Hell their font even looks an aweful lot like something Apple would use.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=gf2tvi.2.4

While Cisco is doing the right thing by suing Apple it is not for the reason that Apple did something wrong.  if Cisco did not protect their trademark it would be invalidated.  The reality of the matter is that Cisco probably wanted to some out of this world amount of money and Apple probablky wanted to give them two pennies.  The likelihood is that the number that the courts decide on will be somewhere in the middle and Cisco will likely capatilize on a name they possibly never had any intention of using.

I hope the courts read your blog and decide that your case has merit but that since you don’t want money then Apple can just have name.

Lawsuit in regards to trademark infringement = $
As usual lawyers will be the only winners, not the consumers or the shareholders for either of these companies.

Jordan Winkelman
and yes I really like Apple product, however I work with Cisco gear everyday.

Edward Jan 11, 2007

Maybe those who are taking the side of Apple (when legally they are clearly in the wrong, no matter how many “i” products they’ve sold before) would do well to do a little searching into Apple Corps, the company that owns the Apple trademark, and only allowed Apple the computer company to use the trademark on the legally binding arrangement that they would use the name only for computers, and not enter the music or entertainment business. 

The iPOD is a clear violation of that agreement and Apple Corps has sued Apple over their use.  The iPhone is just another example of how Apple and Jobs seems to think they are too important to be held to the rules that others follow.

Krunk Jan 11, 2007

Apple’s phone is VAPORWARE. It’s not even going to ship until June, assuming it passes FCC and no manufacturing glitches.

Apple fanboys- step away from the reality distortion field. It’s affecting your ability to think differently.

SH0DAN Jan 11, 2007

If Cisco is being so open and transparent about all this crap going on with Apple,why not post the latest written agreement they had,and really put ther cards on the table,and then we can all really see if it wasnt about more money,or Cisco getting na piece of every Iphone sold…etc…
I trust this Blog as much as I trust Apple,0 nada.nil… I know I’ll be going out of my way to not buy Cisco products when and if I can…

Qoute:

Cute story, fictional, but cute. I applaud your humanitarianism but please give us a break. There is no way Apple is going to carry your cheesy silver plastic low-end skype phone along on a multi billion dollar ride.

I’m quite sure Apple made an offer in monetary terms which would well compensate Cisco for any product revenue but you and I both know that tagging on the back of the biggest product announcement of the year is worth far more than that.

I know you didn’t know what the product was or what it did or how it did it, even Apple’s actual partners didn’t until the launch. You shoved a piece of junk out the door weeks before the Apple launch to establish claim to an otherwise dormant trademark and provide a basis for damages in an eventual suit. How’s that selling by the way?

I’m sure you legal types will work out fair compensation, as an AAPL and CSCO shareholder I expect as much, but please don’t blow smoke up my rear end about your altruistic aims in the interim.

End Qoute…

The above,this best post of the bunch…

Jay Bernal Jan 11, 2007

What’s innovative about a cellular phone?  Such hype over a multi-purpose device that will not perform as well as existing products on the market.  You go, Cisco.  Apple needs a wakeup call.

Viparitam Jan 11, 2007

Well, whatever ‘i’ might stand for, whatever Apple’s popular product line is known as; one has to abide by the law. USPTO has granted ‘iPhone’ name to Cisco and that’s it. Cisco has sole rights. Who cares what the motives behind the actions of each are?
You ask, then negotiate and out of the blue just announce it one day? This is not like ‘Beg, Borrow or Steal’.

Robbie Coleman Jan 11, 2007

OPEN IS GOOD!

Thank you CISCO for taking the high road here!

Isn’t it amazing the xxxx you can see from up here on the high road?

;-}

DavidM Jan 11, 2007

Apple should just name it “iFone” and the problem will be solved.

Cisco, you’re simply wasting internet bandwidth and the courts time in pushing your trademark ownership for a product line that no one associates with Cisco anyway.

Appleneedsanewlegaldepartment Jan 11, 2007

It seems to me the easy solution is to simply move away from using the name “iphone” and substitute something else—like “ipod phone” since that is really what they’re trying to market.

At this point there are no damages since they haven’t actually shipped anything.

That would avoid having to haggle over differentiation or network sharing. Really, it’s a money issue and I don’t think they need to share their network.

Why would they?

It’s just a trademark and it costs about $500 to go come up with a new one. No offense, but paying through the nose (whether in cash or shared network) for a trademark that arguably isn’t worth that much to Cisco just doesn’t make sense.

I know Cisco may view the “iphone” trademark as priceless, but apart from this litigation most people had no idea a netgear “iphone” existed. In other words, the likelihood of confusion only benefits you—since 99.9% of the people had never heard of the netgear iphone.

There is no way in God’s green earth I would share a trademark with Cisco based on that basis alone. It’s like Microsoft negotiating with Cisco for shared use of Xbox in a world where nobody has heard of Cisco’s Xbox.

Why invest millions in marketing so that you can free ride on their marketing? They might be crazy, but are they that crazy?

So it’s not that priceless.

Jobs just needs to abandon “iphone” and move on. The lesson here is some battles just aren’t worth fighting.

Unless you’re willing to simply sell the entire rights for a cash price without any other mumbo jumbo attached.

That would be the only way I’d deal with you on the trademark. Anything else is Cisco over playing their hand. That said, I still can’t figure out why Apple would announce it as the “iphone”.

Whoever heads of their legal department made a very big blunder.

DJ Nathan V Jan 11, 2007

I have liked Cisco as a company and loved their products for years, even completing the Cisco CCNA program.  A note like this regarding the issue at hand comes as no surprise to me coming from a company with a longstanding history of doing things the right way.

Kudos to Cisco for trying to make it work without demanding money.  That’s the kind of thing I’ve learned to expect.

Apple’s just doing whatever it wants and thinks it can trample over the law because it’s Apple.  Stick it to ‘em, Cisco.  They deserve to pay for such blatant disrespect and disregard for the courtesy that has been given.

iDunno Jan 12, 2007

Hey guys, what are we doing here? Don’t you realize that we’re just talking about Apple’s and CISCO Products for hours and days??? And the world will do the same! Finally, isn’t this an underneath “arrangement” between Apple and CISCO: a kind of marketing strategy based on a possible foney law suit??

I’m just skeptical when big shots tells me to go here or think that.

Flummi Jan 12, 2007

I don’t have the impression, Cisco doesn’t want money. Cisco didn’t bring out an iPhone the whole time that they now have the rights on the name. There should be a law that reads: if you don’t use the rights for a name within 2 years, you lose the rights for it. This is all just the old thing: get as much rights for anything so you can sue someone, if he intends to use these rights. Poor Cisco - I had a better image of this company so far.. :-(

swaraj Jan 12, 2007

Way to go! Cisco. Very well explained.

No one is invincible, the moment it gets to the mind, be warned, it is the beginning of their destruction, be it individuals, companies or countries.(History has numerous examples)

apq Jan 12, 2007

“Today’s announcement from Cisco regarding our suit with Apple over our iPhone trademark has spurred a lot of interesting questions. Most importantly, this is not a suit against Apple’s innovation, their modern design, or their cool phone. It is not a suit about money or royalties.”

Yea right.  You’re gonna tell me Cisco isn’t doing this for the money?  Or Cisco just happend to launch a phone a month before Apple does?  This is a bunch of garbage that anyone with half a brain can see right through.  I can’t wait to see Apple slaughter you guys in court.

Brandon Eubanks Jan 12, 2007

Forgive me if I’m wrong but didn’t Apple sue everyone and their dog who had the word pod in their name as if they owned the word pod? In my opinion I hope Apple has this suit crammed down their throat so hard they choke on it if only for the reason of what goes around comes around. If Apple wants to be petty and litigious I think other companies should treat it the same way:) I’m so sick of Apple pretending they’re better than everyone else. I love humble people and humble companies. Nuff said

Eric Jan 12, 2007

Fair or not, hostile actions towards Apple will be regarded as hostile actions towards Apple fans everywhere.

Jim Duffy Jan 12, 2007

What your rubes fail to see is that this phone is going to be called the iPhone by consumers whether you like it or not. You see Apple has this little nomenclature thing going on with their products. They use the letter ‘i’ a lot. Regardless of the fact that your cause is noble or no pun intended, ‘i’gnoble you’re going to lose on this one. It’s the iPhone, ‘nuff said.

BTW I’d never heard of your company until now. The only Cisco I’ve known had the moniker kid attached to it. As in, “Was a friend of mine.”

RC Jan 12, 2007

Apple (ehem…that means Steve Jobs) is being extremely arrogant launching a new product without having rights to its name.

If I owned Cisco, I would sue them and sue them blind.  But Apple is lucky.  It’s run by an arrogant , all-flair, little-substance man, but here’s Cisco still playing fair and being a nice guy.  They are still willing to come to an agreement with Apple on name-sharing.  Clearly, Apple is the bad guy here.  We know Apple’s legal team actively goes after anyone who tries to use the name iPod with any product that’s similary to theirs. 

It’s time Apple learned that this is a double-edged sword.  Apple needs to learn that there’s no 2 sets of rules for trademark infringement, it’s not one rule for Apple, and another rule for the rest of the country. 

If they infringe, they must be sued.  And the odds , and trademark laws and previous cases are on Cisco’s side. 

Cisco ain’t event asking for money or royalties!!!  They just want interoperability!  How truly arrogant of Apple to not agree to such a simple request and still…STILL…try and STEAL the trademark without a signed agreement.

Apple better settle…coz if they don’t, they better be prepared to come up with a new name for their product.  I would like to suggest this new name to Steve Jobs: iSCREWEDUP.

Robert Campbell Jan 12, 2007

Don’t let the Cisco blog fool you, it’s ONLY about the PR.

Think Donald and Rosie.

John Cass Jan 12, 2007

Without a respect for the law we have chaos, tradmark laws give companies a chance to develop innovative ideas in a level playing field.  What Apple did was wrong.  I hope the company sees sense and comes to an agreement with Cisco.

Ron Jan 12, 2007

Cisco OWNS this trademark.  I say they can ask whatever price they want for it to someone who wants to use it.

Personally, if I owned it, I’d ask for a BILLION dollars.  But I don’t. Too bad. 

Cisco owns it and they are asking for interoperability.  That might mean $$$ for their company in the future eventually.  But hey, that’s what business is all about.  I say Apple better pay this price if they want to use “iPhone” as a brandname, or else go and come up with another name!

Sexy Jan 12, 2007

While Apple may have a family of “i+[SOME_NAME]” products…it does not and CANNOT own the small letter “i”.  That firmly belongs to the alphabet.  And the alphabet belongs to all.  Apple should go find another name if it can’t meet Cisco’s demands.

Sean Jan 12, 2007

My concern for the Cisco suit is the potential counter by Apple that they will apply for an expungement of the trademark on the basis that it has not been widley commercially used by Cisco.

Sandy Jan 12, 2007

I am vindicated again. One more reason to feel good about the fact that I have NEVER purchased an Apple product in my life (no I dont have an iPod and I still do manage to listen to very good music all the time).

If Miscrosoft tries to wipe out Netscape by tagging on IE, then they are the ultimate monopolist villains to be dragged through a million lawsuits.

When Apple sets out to destroy all other music players as well as formats with the iTunes/iPod combo and aims to become the most shameless (and rip-off) monopolist, its cool.

When other corporate types fool around with the accounting books, it is high crime.

When Steve Jobs backdates options, its obviously the right thing to do.

When other people need to use a trademark, they sit, negotiate and pay.

When Apple needs to do so, they just go ahead and use it!

Their arrogance is appalling! It was not the same as many other cases where the company did not even know about the existence of the trademark (eg Blackberry). Apple was fully aware of the trademark, obviously knew the importance of it - as evidenced by the fact that they were negotiating. However, when they didnt like the price, they went ahead and used the trademark anyway. Disgusting indeed.

And to all those who are so excited about this phone, happy talking on probably the worst network in this country on a phone without 3G and with limited and fixed memory. Oh wait, it also costs $600!

That is until a year from now when they will lauch the same phone with slightly higher memory and charge $700. Pay fools. I owe Apple stock and will gladly pocket your money smile

vanni Jan 12, 2007

Let me see: iTV by Apple. iTv is a brand? No but AppleiTV is a big brand!. AppleiPhone? works for me. Plus Apple has trademark that name in Europe and in Australia and who knows where else? maybe even in Canada.  iPhone.com… gee i wonder who will by that domain!

An independent Apple software developer Jan 12, 2007

I’m surprised that anyone who’s used Apple products is surprised by Apple’s behavior here.  Acting as though the opinions, rights, and even existence of others is beneath contempt is classic Apple.

While Apple may have dropped “Computer” from their name, saying “The first 30 years were only the beginning,” today’s online Wall Street Journal indicates this attitude is one of the things Apple has chosen to carry forward: “Apple spokesman Steve Dowling called the Cisco lawsuit ‘silly.’”

For those new to this idea, simply search the web for “Steve Jobs” and “asshole.”  To quote one of the more than 100,000 responses this search generates, at an Apple ex-employee reunion, attended by far more than 1,000 former Apple employees including Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, one person said it this way: “Everyone has their Steve-Jobs-the-asshole story.”

In a way, Apple and Microsoft are exactly alike.  Microsoft ruthlessly kills competitors by internally painting them as a threat to be feared if they are allowed to exist.  Apple kills competitors just as ruthlessly (limited in their actions only by their smaller market share, not by their nature), but by painting them as so insignificant compared to Apple as to not or not deserve to exist.

But what I find surprising in the comments here is how much additional evidence the “everybody knows that by now Apple owns the letter i” pro-Apple vitriol gives to the claim that Cisco is damaged by Apple’s behavior.  To the extent that people might state that “I won’t buy anymore products from Cisco,” that’s incredibly damaging to Apple, in that it clearly indicates the damage to corporate reputation that Cisco has already incurred through Apple’s actions.

Compensation for those kinds of damages might well be far more economically costly than any licensing fee Apple might have had to pay.

(Footnote: Apple’s behavior in the Apple Corps. case might be telling here.  Used someone else’s mark knowingly, paid a fine and agreed not to use it in certain markets, used it again anyway when it suited them, made enough money that paying the cost to settle the suit will be less than what was made by violating the agreement.  I was reasonably close to people in both those negotiations, and I don’t recall Apple ever indicating they’d ever felt they’d done anything wrong, even the second time around.)

DL Jan 12, 2007

I am sure Cisco with all the Financial power will win the law suit .. but end of the day Apple is the Winner.

Cisco is nothing but another Microsoft , with crap little products with a Big marketing Power with no innovation . As usual, you must have offered to buy Apple , because JC liked their innovation on everything .

Yes.. Apple is arrogant because they r real engineers , with creativity - they deserve that .

Go and make a matching product before complaining. Infact now Apple must change the name , as it is disgrace to their phone to have a similar name like crap linksys phone .

Toe Knee Jan 12, 2007

this is a PR blunder for BOTH companies, grow up

and yes, Apple should have, and perhaps still will, call it the Apple Phone, following the release of Apple tv.

Frankly I’m over iThis & iThat anyway, aren’t you?

Mike Stuart Jan 12, 2007

I think Apple should just use the apple logo just like they did with the iTV.  That way everyone will still call it an iPhone, and no lawsuits.  Consumers branded Apple’s upcoming cell phone the “iPhone” long before it ever had an official name.  Getting upset with Apple for being rash might be a natural reaction - but I think Cisco is essentially cyber-squatting here.  It’s not like Cisco came up with the name, they bought a company that had a good idea a long time ago - that’s what BIG companies do.
smile

Anonymous Jan 12, 2007

I admit I’m biased toward Apple, which is maybe why I view Cisco as a bully here.  Cisco and Apple have been in negotiations since 2001, and apparently not about money.  Cisco wants more than that—they want to dictate specs of the product itself!  With each additional million Apple spends marketing it’s iProduct lineup, Cisco gains that much more leverage over Apple.  With neighbors like that, who needs enemies?  Besides, Cisco should be thanking Apple—without Apple investing in the iBrand, the iProducts name would likely be a remnant of the dot-com bust. Cisco clearly wants to leverage that investment for their new line of consumer devices.

Yes, the law may appear to be on Cisco’s side, but it’s not as black and white as Cisco claims. If you search trademarks at USPTO, you’ll see several “iPhone” marks, all phone related, though all different types of goods or services. Apple owns iphone.org, and has since 1999.  As another commenter pointed out, Apple owns the iPhone mark in 11 countries.

I’m not saying Apple has the right to use any iProduct moniker they wish.  Had they released a destkop IP phone, Cisco would have a bulletproof case.  The question is whether cell phones are sufficiently different from desktop phones in the mind of consumers.  And, is it “reasonble” in the eyes of the law that Apple should have some rights to the iPhone name?

Consider if Burger King owned the legal rights to the name “McChicken” because they had purchased the McFinkelstein’s Fried Chicken Emporium, they legally might be able to force McDonald’s to find a new name for their chicken sandwich, but it doesn’t make them any less of a bully—and McDonald’s still might win the case, given their enormous investment and brand recognition of McFood products.  Apple has an entire suite of iProducts in which it has invested hundreds of millions of iDollars to iPromote.  IANAL, but I understand trademark law was designed to protect this investment, and to protect the consumer.  The investment by both companies is easy to quantify, and me thinks Apple has Cisco beat in the iProducts marketing arena.

Getting back to Cisco v. Apple, if trademark law is designed to protect the consumers too, then what evidence is there showing consumers would confuse Cisco’s desktop iPhone for Apple’s mobile iPhone?  Well, according to Google Trends, consumer’s have never heard of the Cisco iPhone. But even though Apple has never publicly acknowledge the existence of such a device until this week, the public has been talking about an Apple iPhone since late 2004.

This whole lawsuit and the complementary PR game is capitalism at its finest, no question—but Cisco, don’t try to spin this as a quest to make the Internet more open.  That’s a patronizing argument at best, since Apple has proven its desire to adopt and promote open standards without having a legal gun pointed at its head.  If you were truly asking for something reasonable related to openness, I have to believe Apple would have jumped at it years ago.  Cisco may be confident about its legal rights, but that doesn’t make its actions noble, justified, or in any way neighborly.

Carmi Weinzweig Jan 12, 2007

I find this very interesting. Linksys, the company that actually, holds the iPhone trademark, has an official policy that they only support IE on windows on their products. We recently received an RMA for several thousand dollars worth of Linksys gigabit ethernet switches, PoE ethernet switches and PoE powered WiFi access points. It is amazing that a simple browser based interface like that used on these products only support windows and not the “open standards” that they claim are so important.

bob Jan 12, 2007

Heaven forbid a small company had this trademark, was working on a internet enabled phone of some sort over the last years and then had Apple decide they liked this name.  They, more than others, would of course need the rights to continue using the name regardless of their market share, product features, or overall press coverage.  Trademarks are for exactly these kind of issues.  Even big Cisco deserves this protection.

Also, how did someone already determine that Cisco is not planning to come out with a mobile version of their iphone, this month or five years from now?  How can you truly distinguish a phone by which networks (cell, wifi, landline, etc) it connects.  They change constantly.  Cisco has the right to license or not, to Apple, to Microsoft, or keep to themselves.  It’s a good name for them too, they are the overall leaders in internet phones, after all.

Jonathan Jan 12, 2007

Mark,

Regardless of the merits of the issue - which I will not comment on…You are to be applauded for embracing the technology and for your courage in sharing your views.

Not all lawyers are Luddites.

Best regards

Jonathan

Bernard Farrell Jan 12, 2007

It amazes me just how arrogant Apple can be and they seem to get away with it most times. And we know the apple never falls far from the CEO’s tree.

Thank you Cisco for explaining this, and being prepared to push for more open standards.

ET Jan 12, 2007

While your indignation about “trademark infringement” is justified, I suspect you wouldn’t be making so much noise if it was another, less high-profile company that used the iPhone name without your permission. C’mon, no one is ever going to think of Cisco when they hear iPhone. They will think of Apple. And that just plain makes you mad (and very very jealous). So let’s just call this what it really is: ENVY.

Mike Williamson Jan 12, 2007

Wow, how brilliant of Cisco to plot 11 years ago to ride on Mac’s use of “i.”  Cunning.  They should be ashamed.  Poor, innocent Apple, with the best interests of The Peepul at heart.

Always glad to hear from the Mac choir.

As to “ixxxxx,” that’s what I’ve been calling Apple’s crap for years.

One last note:  While you can’t dejure trademark a letter, you can defacto do so.  Just produce a “Puppet” named “Elmo” and see how far you get.

Scott Jan 12, 2007

Hey, why not cut a deal with the *original* Apple Corp. and rebrand Linksys as Apple?

McCartney is still bigger than Jobs. grin

See how they like them (ahem) apples.

Chris Clark Jan 12, 2007

Anytime some tells you "It’s not about the money" it’s always "About the money"

So Cisco wants openness and interop with the iPhone. I bet you do. That would be worth millions.

Why would Apple give up access to their customer base? Cisco you must be dreaming.

Ward Jan 12, 2007

Obviously some folks don’t understand US trademarks.  If you don’t use it, you loose it!  Cisco’s lame attempt to use it right before the announcement of Apple’s iPhone, when they knew Apple desires/intentions, is just lame and the courts will recognize that.  I truly believe CISCO is trying to milk Apple for more money and it will backfire.  or they’ll just choose a new name like “idevice”.  Besides, CISCO is inconsistent.  There are several products called iPhone and they haven’t chosen to enforce it till Apple wants to use it.  Seems pretty suspicious to me.

Ward Jan 12, 2007

Apple needs to just buy CISCO!

Alex Jan 12, 2007

If both parties were negotiating in good faith in advance of Apple’s announcement, then it was probably reasonable for Apple’s marketing team to expect that resolution would be reached in time for the product release. Certainly there are a lot of moving parts to changing the name of a product from a marketing perspective. I would doubt that what transpired is the result of Apple’s arrogance but rather of the fact that the inertia of the overall marketing effort did not allow Apple to change course on short notice. If Apple’s counsel has been nonresponsive to Cisco on the matter following the announcement it was likely a “your move” finger-to-the-wind type strategy.

Personally, this lawsuit strikes me as Cisco seeking to jump on the coatails of the (yet young) year’s biggest tech announcement. If this was a simple matter of protecting a trademark then one would simply file quietly in court and let the law takes its course.

Chris Jan 12, 2007

Please take this lawsuit as far as possible. I have been sick of the arrogance that is associated with apple products for years.

Marc Jan 12, 2007

I hope Apple Changes the name to The CisPhone.
That would be really funny wouldn’t it !

I’m shure Apple would have paid alot to use the name no question about it. But I guess Cisco wanted more. But I dont think the Cisco iphone is going to go anywere. Good play on your part to aquire the name, really. You should look for more
(i) brands to aquire. So you could do it again.

Cody Jan 12, 2007

-“Apple needs to just buy CISCO!”

Excpet that Cisco is easily 2x the size of Apple.

kaja Jan 12, 2007

Everyone seemingly hates Apple these days simply because they are the underdog that’s suddenly commercialized a couple of their products and actually seen some success.

My opinion is just let em use it but with the stipulation they brand it as the “Apple iPhone” while Cisco brands theirs as the “Cisco iPhone”.

Learn to share kids. Don’t drag it all out in some long court process, you’ll just gain contempt from the Apple lovers.

Ash Jan 12, 2007

Who’s Cisco?  haha

no seriously… the fact that apple tried contacting Cisco over the past two years shows that Cisco didn’t want to share the name.  They were fighting it, or brushing off the idea. 

This “blog” is very one sided.  I’d like to hear from the PR guy @ Apple that did the contacting and exactly what kind of response he got from Cisco. 

Also the Cisco version of the iPhone is very laughable and honestly a horrible attempt at throwing something on the market to reserve a name.  Especially only 2 months before the CES.  Cisco knew well in advance that Apple would be making an annoucement concerning their iPhone at the largest Technology Trade Show! 

/my 2 cents

pasimmons Jan 12, 2007

Why not call the device “iCell”....

Maybe Cisco needs to trademark the “iCell”....

me! Jan 12, 2007

company’s have a duty to make money for stockholders so good will rarely comes into it. They own the trademark, apple knows this- they are wrong and it will be proved in court. I thought even mac zealots could understand basic concepts such as right and wrong but apparently they are iBlind when it comes to iLaw. iLol

mark davis Jan 12, 2007

Cisco is lame. Apple had been researching the i name sine early 2000. They simply came out with the cisco I phone because the ipod had made the letter so popular. The cisco iphone is lame and a piece of junk. the word belongs to apple and they know it.

Eric Jan 12, 2007

jeff (January 10, 2007 09:16 PM) - right on… doesn’t matter what Apple or Cisco call the phones, the public will still call Apple’s the iPhone.  Cisco’s iPhone will be called, “that’s not an iPhone.”

Interesting (January 10, 2007 10:05 PM) - “does Cisco really want to anger all of the Apple fans of the world?”  I agree: all PR isn’t really good PR.

Karan S. Jan 12, 2007

Well said.

hha Jan 12, 2007

cisco is a business.

This is a business move.

Nice try cisco.

Dude Jan 12, 2007

I know Cisco are huge, but until the iPhone came along, did anyone really care/know about Cisco? I mean, in the wider, consumer view of the world.

iPhone = Apple.

Cisco = riding in Apples wake and trying to leverage something out of nothing.

And I don’t even really like Apple.

Ray Linder Jan 12, 2007

I just find it funny how, as a major company, can’t follow simple rules of business. It’s so easy to just agree to something rather than become greedy and “take-over”. Especially, when you’re given a chance. I’ve never liked Apple in a way that I’ve always thought they were “too good for anyone else”. I am proud that Cisco opened doors for Apple in the iPhone name and understood the reasons. Unfortunately, Apple didn’t cooperate to such an opportunity. Now, I’m curious to know what will happen. Will Apple have to change their product name to something else? Be forced to cooperate on Cisco’s terms regarding the iPhone name? Or will Cisco still be compassionate and let Apple come to an agreement? Either way, I feel Apple doesn’t have much of a choice in this anyway. Cisco owns the trademark, the iPhone name…

Jimmy Jan 12, 2007

Thank you for your transparency.  From the law regulators’ point of view, I’ll side with Cisco.  From the consumers’ point of view, I’ll side with Apple…

:|

Jeffree Lassitter Jan 12, 2007

iPhone is a totally appropriate name for Cisco’s Internet-phone devices.  And owning the trademark is a great legal leg up for you.  iPhone is a TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE name for the kind of device that Steve Job’s demoed at MacWorld.  In fact, if memory serves me, he introduced the concept by repeating it 4 times: widescreen iPod with touch controls, revolutionary mobile phone, breakthrough internet communicator.  (“Are you gettng the picture?”)  In view of this it’s suprising that he didn’t name it Trio or MacTrio, instead of iPhone, which would have incurred the wrath of Palm.  My hope is that Apple will lose to you in court and thus have to rename their amazing invention to something that more fully encapsulates its triple threat of capabilities.

Michael Jan 12, 2007

Kudos to Cisco!!

In this day and age of lawsuits, where everyone and anyone will sue just about anybody it is nice to see a large company like Cisco at least try to work with Apple instead of just sending in the lawyers. I am not one of those Mac fanatics (who seem to forget the facts when comparing Apple products to others) but I do own several Apple products and I love them. I personally will wait until the facts come out regarding the trademark infringement until I make up my mind on who is right and who is wrong. To all of you Apple fanatics out there, put down your crack pipes and stop letting brand loyalty (and the Apple PR machine) delude you to the facts. Oh, regarding the post about does Cisco really want to anger all the Apple fans out there, what all 30 of you!! Try to remeber that you are the extreme minority. Have a great weekend.

blah Jan 12, 2007

if it’s really not about money or royalties, as you claim, quit your lame whining.

ask people which company they associate the word ‘iphone’ with and most will answer ‘apple’.

john Jan 12, 2007

i wonder how many apple fan here would be saying the same thing if it was cisco using apple’s iphone thing instead of the other way around lol

Max Jan 12, 2007

Apple is wrong to infringe on Cisco’s trademark, but that’s about where my criticism of Apple ends.  It is clear from the Cisco legal counsel’s own words, that what Cisco wants is not money or royalties, but access to Apple’s proprietary (and likely brilliant) technology.  And the fact that they cannot reach an agreement means that Apple is not interested in Cisco’s phone technology.

In other words, if I had the foresight to grab “cocacola.com” as a domain name, would I be justified in demanding not money, but access to their “7x” soda formula?  I think not.

SimonTek Jan 12, 2007

Nice post, I am an opensource guy, but I am very protective of my trademarks. I don’t plan to make money off them, but if they are my ideas, I want people to at least ask me if they can use it. As long as you have my permission, you can use them. although I won’t allow it to be used for anything that can hurt me, ie fraud, porn, etc. I like Cisco, Hell Cisco(not linksys) is the router and switches in my house.

Michael Jan 12, 2007

this is nothing but an attention seeking post… Cisco iPhone has nothing to gain but a little bit of exposure from this.
Why launch and add campaign when you can sue the company getting all the attention and get put up in those headlines with them?

spotswoode Jan 12, 2007

IP Communications = Cisco

Apple = form over function

Cisco is absolutely well within it right to protect the iPhone trademark precisely because this isn’t soley about the sale of the latest widget.  The “iPhone” can take many forms and not necessarily the form that Apple has designed for “the now”.

It is Cisco not Apple that has been the pioneer in the area of IP Communications (data, voice, video, et al).  Mr. Jobs assertion that Apple’s iPhone "...is a revolution of the first order” is laughable.  So, Cisco has been shipping IP Phones and powering the likes of Vonage for how long?!?

Welcome to the revolution Mr. Jobs.  It is being driven by Cisco.

Cisco should defend the watering down of it’s trademark, brand and innovation all all costs.

KJames Jan 12, 2007

Trade Mark legally has always been won over by a popularity contest. None of Ciscos products have used the “i” in a product name before. Because of the popularity of Apples iPod, iMac, iPhoto, iTunes,  iBook, and iLife products that have become popular over the last ten years suing Apple over this association is a waste of Ciscos funds and could be held liable by investors. It’s obvious that Apple will string this along and will only prevail in the end. Spend your money on innovative products Cisco not the name game!

Suplyndmnd Jan 12, 2007

“Posted by hha on January 12, 2007 09:52 AM
I know Cisco are huge, but until the iPhone came along, did anyone really care/know about Cisco? I mean, in the wider, consumer view of the world.”

-Are you simple?  Maybe hit in the head?  Who do you think the “wider, consuver view” is to Cisco?  IT personnel that buys their products.  Cisco is a MUCH larger company than Apple and they have no reason to ride on Apple’s coattails. Smarten up or stay off blogs.

Also, they acquired “iPhone” in a merger/takeover and who cares how or when they released an iPhone or if they NEVER released one.  They own the name.  They have had the name well before iPod and iMac and deserve compensation if ANYONE wants to use the name.  That’s the law.  It’s there for a reason.  Some of you need to stop slapping the side of that Apple bandwagon and try neutrality some time. Cisco should defend their patented name 100% because they own the name.  They should add an extra 10% for the sheer arrogance of Apple and Steve Jobs (who I like but i think made a STUPID move this time).

JohnSmith Jan 12, 2007

Interesting comments.  I feel like I believe you cisco, except I still have a bad taste in my mouth about your latest versions of the WRT54G router.  Why oh why did you switch from an open source kernel?!?!?

Good luck in your battles.

hudson Jan 12, 2007

Ok, lool. Apple is a wonderful company that is very innovative and usually names products very well.

But come on “iPhone”? Who wants to bey something called “phone” (which is an old, conventional name anyway) with an “i” in front.

Plus the “iPod” brand doesn’t have to end at media, why not extedn “iPod” (like they extended it to nano and shuffle) to reflect a new product like “IPod chat” (Chat capitalizes on the iChat brand anyway) What is more, if Apple is willing to call Safari on a cell phone Safari why aren’t they willing to call iChat (instead of text) on cell phone iChat? Why iPod when you have iTunes on the Desktop Mac OS X and this is supposed to be OS X. Why not iPhoto instead of Photos. Why not Dashboard widgets instead of Apple widgets? It seems like the marketing group at Apple didn’t get a chance to even look the device over.

The iPod brand is too great to loose. I understand Apple wants to differentiate this product. But maybe this is the point. For those hordes who want the iPhone name Apple will give it too them, until of course nasty Cisco wins a trademark battle. Then Apple switches to the iPod brand, which those people can’t moan about and sounds better to those who understand marketing anyways.

Cisco will win this. For one reason. Apple’s iPhone works on WiFi, and so does the Cisco iPhone. They both place calls over the internet protocol. They do very similar things. Cisco will win, and Apple fans will love it.

Ryan B Jan 12, 2007

I talked to a fellow co-worker, which thinks he is very in tune with technology, and thought it would be pointless try at Apple. When I said who owned the trademark I got a blank look. I think it is good that Cisco is pursuing this.

Ben Jan 12, 2007

Regarding Nick’s comments:
“It sounds like Mr. Jobs is going Wal-Mart route.”
—What does this mean? That they’re becoming a big box retailer? That they’re going to exploit underpaid employees at the expense of local businesses and tax payers?

“I will start by returning my second ipod nano that I just bought and I promise Apple will loss my spending of at least $3000 that I had planned on spending on various Apple products next month.”
—You’r actually going to return something that you liked so much that you have more than one, *AND* not spend $3000 on Apple products that you’d already earmarked, because of the iPhone trademark?

Given this inconsistent and irrational behavior, I’m having trouble deciphering whether you’re an idiot or just a straight out liar.

This blog was an excellent explanation of what is going on from Cisco’s point of view, and its candidness and honesty is refreshing. Why muck it up with irrational statements like yours?

Blar Jan 12, 2007

I think it is fairly lame of Cisco here to suggest that they have been supporting the iPhone product for “years,” but they willingly give dates on every other instance. What is “years” defined as? Since what year? We need to know in order to really discern if you decided to start really supporting iPhone products before the iMac was indeed a glimmer in Apple’s eye, because otherwise it’s obvious that you were riding Apple’s tail on that one.

ijie Jan 12, 2007

>> We shipped and/or supported that iPhone product for years.

Cisco shipped that iPhone for years?

>> We have been shipping new, updated iPhone products since last spring, and had a formal launch late last year.

So after several years, Cisco formally launch the product just last year?

jackie zero Jan 12, 2007

This is the right way to handle things. Good job CISCO !
I think this was a hard one for you to handle because of all the apple fan boys and because of the public’s general idea about apple.

Carroll Wills Jan 12, 2007

You’ve gotten a lot of kudos on this blog for your “openness”, but I haven’t seen any sort of follow-up post.

I think this is smart.

Another post would require you to explain why it is that Cisco has selectively attacked Apple in its trademark fight ...

Or why Cisco has not challenged Apple’s clear iPhone trademark edge internationally ...

Or why Cisco didn’t even bother to buy the domain “iPhone.com”.

Or why Cisco filed suit only a day or so before introducing a product that competes directly with Apple TV.

Or why, if the issue is truly just about “trademark infringement,” your negotiating price was not a business agreement, but rather a pipeline into Apple’s innovation.

Selective and discreet “openness” is not really openness—it’s just spin. Your post was nifty spin, but now that the holes have been punched, the silence speaks volumes.

The bottom line is that you are playing legal hardball because Apple wouldn’t let you sit at the cool kids’ table. You wanted in! And, apparently, you also wanted to take control of the widget away from the company that invented it. And you wanted to do it by leveraging a trademark that you didn’t even think up yourselves!

Again, this comes from someone who believes that you have the right to protect your trademark, and who is extremely angry with Apple (Jobs) for picking this stupid fight in the first place.

But if it were all about “the trademark”, you’d have taken the check and worked it out. But, like Jobs, you wanted control and free marketing buzz, and tried to use IP you didn’t create to get it.

IMHO, that is the greater wrong.

Dan Jan 12, 2007

The key point is that the law is there to protect everyone… that your right to enforce against Apple reinforces their right to enforce against those who violate their intellectual property rights.  The fact that iSOMETHING is now associated with Apple is not material… they did not register or use the trademark first in this case, full stop.  What terms you asked for, what goals you were trying to achieve by demanding them, and whether you were being “fair” are not relevant to whether they’re wrong or not.  They’re wrong regardless.

Hmmm… since Apple thinks it’s OK to trample intellectual property rights, I guess it’s OK for anyone to crack the iPOD DRM system.  And, gee, can we all now copy OS X code and make it open source? 

C’mon Apple—try not to be arrogant for just a nanosecond.

Steve B Jan 12, 2007

Hey Mr. Jobs-

Let’s go with iDIOT Phone. It’s the perfect name for all your Apple fanboys.

PS- Cisco will crush you in court. Enjoy the ride.

SteveB Jan 12, 2007

An investigation into the ongoing trademark dispute between Cisco and Apple over the name “iPhone” appears to show that Cisco does not own the mark as claimed in their recent lawsuit.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

Cisco Systems, Inc.  Note: Cisco has used its iPhone trademark in all ways necessary to maintain it and keep it valid.

J Jan 12, 2007

If you remove some of the emotion you might see the possibilities. Here’s a blog entry from an industry source…

Cisco, Apple: Happily Ever After? 

A lot of pundits are predicting that the battle between Cisco and Apple over the iPhone name could turn ugly. The VAR Guy disagrees. Over the long haul, the iPhone name could unite Cisco and Apple in one of the most exciting enterprise ventures of the decade.

To read the rest go to…
http://www.techiqmag.com/the_var_guy/index.php

Dave Jan 12, 2007

It looks as if Cisco is the one who dropped the ball here folks.

See for yourself.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

Apple isn’t at fault, or stealing, or being a theif, or whatever the case may be by those who are branding Apple to be evil.  Cisco plain and simply dropped the ball.  I can hear the conversation now.

Worker - “Uh Steve, I found out that Cisco lost the rights to use iPhone, so that means we can use it without a problem.”

Steve - “Excellent!”

Worker - “Should we call Cisco back?  They’ve been bugging us non-stop about infringing on their trademark.  A trademark that they no longer own by the looks of it.”

Steve - “Nah, we got a product to debut at MacWorld.  They’ll figure it out.”


Cisco Systems, Inc.  Note: Cisco has used its iPhone trademark in all ways necessary to maintain it and keep it valid.

Perlip Jan 12, 2007

It is really funny to read the comments here.
First of a Trademark is not Intellectual Property. It is a distinctive Name.
Second Cisco is very likely to loose the iPhone Trademark for Europe and does not ow it for Japan.
Even within the US the Trademark may have been registered, but there is no confusion about which product is which.
Cisco should and will probably loose this lawsuit. Trademark squatting is just not an acceptable behaviour.
I agree fully that Apple could have gone about the whole thing smarter, but when I read this post, I get the feeling that Cisco felt it could dictate terms because Apple had a deadline (MacWorld). It seems Apple just called the bluff.
We’ll watch and see, write a Wikipedia article about it and five years from now noone will even care that Cisco once thought they owned the iPhone trademark.

Bill Jan 12, 2007

I wonder what Cisco was looking for in terms of interoperability.  Perhaps they wanted the Apple phone to support VoIP, so it could interoperate with a Cisco phone system, for instance. Imagine roaming around the building with your Apple phone locked on to the nearest access point and not needing to burn your minutes. That sort of interoperability would have been great for the consumer, great for Cisco, but bad for Cingular. This could explain Apple’s reluctance to make a deal.  Their hands were tied, because of the deal with Cingular.

Henry Jan 12, 2007

Greetings Mark,

As a fellow attorney, I find it interesting that you are using a blog to explain filing a lawsuit that does not need to be defended by you. Given the facts as you present them, Cisco has every right to protect its intelectual property and Apple should be worried.

What I find interesting is that you posted the information knowing full well that every word could be used by Apple’s defense counsel against your company. Moreover, I’m certain that you know that you increased your risk of having your deposition taken, and risked waiving privileges that might have protected your internal communications. Acting with this knowledge gives your disclosures a high degree of credibilty.

While I’m amazed that you acted regardless of these risks, I commend you and your company for your motives and goals.  Openness and interoperability are good for the consumer, the marketplace, innovation, our society, and even Apple, who would realize the error of their ways if they could see past their short term profit picture. Good luck. I’ll be cheering for you even as I worry about the consequences of your strategy. Henry Chajet

max Jan 12, 2007

Mandla had a great post above where he made a salient point "A trademark is not supposed to be a crowbar for gaining access to other people’s products and IP. It’s there to protect your own products not to prise open other people’s products" and many have also turned on Cisco on these grounds but to be fair to Cisco, it is OUR perceived assumption that a trademark dispute should be settled in pure monetary terms that is clouding our view of the Cisco case.. So Cisco is going about this in an unconventional manner, but to their credit this is still in the realm of business negotiation. In simple terms, Cisco has something Apple wants and Cisco is asking for payment, albeit not in obvious monetary terms but in kind....so despite how others have analysed Mark Chandler’s blog and instead accused Cisco of trying to profiteer, this is a straight forward business negotiation.

It is amazing to read the huge number of pro-Apple comments (and on the "enemy’s" blog too!) accusing Cisco of a multitude of transgressions when in fact, Apple has seemingly blatantly violated Cisco’s trademark - this is a clear example of Steve Jobs’ famous reality distortion field at work where even his evangelists are propagating the message.

It is one thing to praise the Emperor’s New Clothes even though the threads are misappropriated in parts, but since we are on the subject of trademarks, let’s also focus on the other major announcement with the name change from "Apple Computer" to "Apple Inc". So Jobs’ Apple has now formally moved out of a strictly computer industry domain and ready to devour other industries including consumer electronics and music. It was not too long ago that the Beatles "Apple Corps" was battling "Apple Computers" when the latter started moving into the music industry flouting a previous agreement....For a company that fiercely attacks others for using any of its trademarks and takes the moral high ground, it is damning that Apple’s very own brand naming exercise itself was a result of taking a bite out of a forbidden fruit.

Robert H. Jan 12, 2007

I appreciate the way Cisco explained the lawsuit. It makes complete sense and sets a precedent for any similar situations in the future. Cisco has always been a good company and the reasons why is clearly seen in their willingness and openness in an amicable request for interoperability, which I am sure every consumer would want anyway. My hat goes off to you CISCO.

iUnknown Jan 13, 2007

I am amazed at our blindness in the Apple craze. We almost seem like the mice in the “Pied Piper Of Hamlin”(oops Cupertino) following to the magic iTunes.

Apple does not own the trademark, Cisco does (& a phone is a phone is a phone - while IP, CDMA, GSM or whatever else is the technology aspect, both devices largely intend to serve the same purpose - make a call).

To further the argument, what happens if Cisco adds cellphone capabilities to their iPhone in the next 2 months. Would that cause customer confusion? Or just because Apple is so popular, they should be allowed to do whatever.

Just as we would not tolerate the most popular guy on the block parking his Ferrari in our driveway without our permission (even if we don’t use it so often or if we let our friends park their bikes), Cisco has every right to be intolerant of Apple’s bossy attitude.

Further, Cisco’s intentions are purely business driven because they are not a charitable organization, so let’s just cut the malafied intention debate. They have every ethical right to get the most for their opportunity.

We as consumers & customers openly & often disdain Microsoft, Wal-Mart & any other market dominant player for a monopolistic attitude, but when it comes to Apple, it seems that no law, ethic, morality or common sense applies.

Judging by the “I will throw all my Cisco gear” type responses, heavens forbid, if a small business owned the trademark iPhone, manufactured consumer electronics & launched an iphone a month before macworld, apple fanatics would have probably bankrupted it by now simply by boycotting it.

I think the scary part is that we may be turning into an obsessively compulsive & a hypocritical society with nothing better to do than fascinate over our silly little music players & eye candy phones, while more than half of the human population still lives in subhuman condition.

Let them eat cake & rock on to iPod…sez I.

-iUnknown

DT Jan 13, 2007

Well said Cisco. 

I have been hearing more and more about the arrogance of Apple.  Espically from their vendors they abuse.  I think unlike Creative, Cisco should not cave in, and force Apple to change the name in the US.

Amazing Apple is another Microsoft in the making.

Hayfa Jan 13, 2007

Dont belive everything u read if Apple was like that why did they not ignore iTv and called there product iTv they changed it to Tv. I will love and believe Apple in anything they say.

FredKA Jan 13, 2007

Apple is well regarded as a company that produces great innovative products, not for its openness and interoperability.  You are using the trademark infringement to change Apple and it doesn’t want to be changed no matter how noble the goals are for the consumer.

During the negotiations, Apple must have offered something on the table.  If Apple’s monetary offer was unreasonable that is one thing.  However if Apple’s offer was reasonable and you chose to decline because of your fundamental goals, you should reconsider.

I respect both Cisco and Apple as technology companies.  IMHO, Cisco has the best goals for the consumer but their motive and approach in dealing with Apple is not the best.

In the end, Apple may well change its product name to “Apple iPhone” or just “Apple Phone”, however it will always be called iPhone by consumers.

Anon Jan 13, 2007

Here is an interesting read for anyone that thinks Apple has no valid claim, and that Cisco is not just trademark-squating:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

This is just awfully suspicious…

I’ll wait to form my final opinion until I see all the facts come out in court.  However, if true, it looks like Cisco is trying to protect something they really don’t have a legal claim to have.  In the process they are trying to sell themselves as the good guy, and are slandering Apple.  Its this kind of dirty tactics that make me distrust corporate America.

alex santos Jan 13, 2007

I would like to take this opportunity and express my best wishes to both Cisco and Apple. I hope the two companies can reach a settlement.

Although I’m a huge Apple fan I would have to state that the statement made here by Cisco does in fact appear more than reasonable. It is your trademark.

I know that both Cisco and Apple make reliable products and really hope that both your companies win for the sake of the consumer.

I must say that I find a few things about your statement difficult to believe:

“What were the issues at the table that kept us from an agreement? Was it money? No. Was it a royalty on every Apple phone? No. Was it an exchange for Cisco products or services? No.”

I am apologize for my assumptions but without publicly detailing the goings on with your talks with Apple, I would imagine Cisco was looking for a way to get large amounts of money from Apple. Now that Cisco has seen the product in all it’s glory Cisco can assess the value of the trademark iPhone.

So it will be either royalties or whatever, basically truck loads of cash is what Cisco wants here.

I apologize but this is my opinion, nonetheless, I fully support Cisco’s decision to act.

In the end it’s a Cisco trademark.

Thanks for the opportunity.

Hugo Jan 13, 2007

Cisco:

The only thing you are getting here is that everybody compares the iPhone stunning style and technology with your old fashion and overdated “iphone”.

I don’t knew almost anything about you before this lawsuit, know i know that i don’t miss anything.

Good fish.

ryan Jan 13, 2007

everyone here seems to be defending Cisco for its business obligations and promoting its fight against apple.

it is in the best interest of Cisco to feed off iPhone royalties and make money

it would be stupid not to try and stick your hand in the cookie jar of apple’s ingenuity

you guys gotta understand that apple’s release of a phone was inevitable and you gotta also understand that it’s use of the name ‘iPhone’ was equally inevitable

Steve Jobs is a man who made himself. some of you try to patronize him for his success, that he acts above everyone else or is pretentious in some way

i argue that he has every right to be. theres a reason why apple computers dont get viruses: its because in apples creation, it didnt sell out its program writing codes at a mass level for third parties to make software for. i’m sure there are alot of you out there who can easily wrte a program for a pc, or perhaps even a virus. Steve Jobs has been stingy about his exclusivity in apple products running apple software, and let me tell you, it has created the smoothest and most carefree computer experience available

Cisco has every right to fight this but will they win? no and apple knows that. Apple’s unwillingness to work with a case that they know they will win is smart. Cisco wants in on apple with what they call some sort of ‘collaboration’ with apple but you have to nderstand that Cisco has nothing that apple wants and therefore has nor eason to settle this outside of court, especially when thye know they can win

Lloyd Budd Jan 13, 2007

“It is not a suit about money or royalties. This is a suit about trademark infringement.”

As others have commented, for corporations, it always comes down to being about money.

Jim Jan 13, 2007

It looks as if Cisco and Apple aren’t playing nice….!!! It looks as if Cisco got the name iphone didn’t really want it or care about it UNTIL the iPod, iLife, iPhoto was successfully BRANDED by Apple. You don’t have to own the EXACT name to protect your BRAND. it is pretty clear to anybody that doesn’t live under a ROCK that Apple pretty much owns the “i” BRAND. Cisco missed the renewal deadline and only brought the iphone to market a few months ago. It looks like Cisco is trying to cash in on Apple’s “i” brand and I bet the court sees it that way as well.  Personally, I think the name sucks, the “device” Jobs showed off was way more than a PHONE it is a remote control for you entire digital life…..  iNEWTON would be a better name.

Jim

Antuan from Moscow Jan 13, 2007

It’s funny to see such an emotional reaction to a silly naming dispute. On the other hand some serious questions do arise, like: Has Cisco sold any of it’s iPhones to any country where apple owns a trademark rights to it? If Cisco did, then i suppose there is a mutial trademark infringment taking place, making this dispute even more hillarious. Another question is whether this litigation is strictly over the US trademark/market, or they are planning to sue each other in each country until there is only one company left that owns the iPhone trademark universally (except maybe Mongolia smile

I personally think the world will survive if apple is legally forced to change their cellphone’s name. Seeing the hords of iPod owners (even in mother Russia) who are largely being underaged teens, helps me to stay away from being part to this iClone generation mentality.

What i would prefer to happen, is for Cisco to somehow influence apple into making their phone skype friendly (at least), in this and only this case i might consider breaking my “clone tabu” and perhaps purchasing one of those apple phones, but for as long as apple is restricting universal compatibility of their product, i have no reason to shed my tears over their, rather irritating, “i” trend.

PS. For the sake of world general public Cisco should stay firm!

Tom Jan 14, 2007

Seems simple to me if these are the facts. Cisco was not happy to accept royalties for the trademark, Apple made sure that’s what therll get.

Apple are wrong though. Its not ethical, or legal, its just wrong, and I hope they are punished for it. What gives any company or corporation the right to manipulate the law like this?

Hats off to Cisco for embracing blogging like this.

Ocean Telco Jan 14, 2007

Apple has lost moral ownership of iPhone name

Here is an interesting angle on this dispute - for full text, please go to http://maths.blogthing.com - the following is just an extract…

Even though it is mere speculation for all of us to debate the legal aspects of who is right or wrong ultimately in this case, it is important for us to separate the legal aspects from the moral areas, with Apple trying to dominate the latter. It is amazing to read the huge number of pro-Apple comments accusing Cisco of a multitude of transgressions when in fact, it is public knowledge that "Apple approached Cisco many times over the past five years to acquire rights to use the iPhone trademark, acknowledging Cisco’s rights to the trademark" - this is a clear example of Steve Jobs’famous reality distortion field at work where even his evangelists are instead trying to claim the moral high ground….

For a company that is a very aggressive enforcer of their trademark rights and even claims 200+ patents for its iPhone, it is damning that in addition to the iPhone name dispute, Apple’s very own company naming exercise itself was a result of arrogantly taking a forbidden bite out of another company’s name. As such, though Apple can count on winning in the court of public opinion and while we await a resolution either in the courts or on the negotiation table, Apple seems to have lost moral ownership of the iPhone name.

jcl Jan 14, 2007

Business is business, no matter who did what. A company used another company’s trademark, without its approval ? It infringes law. Very simple. Apple tries to “motivate” Cisco that way ? That’s not surprising, but it seems like a Goliath vs David story…Who won actually ?

kzail123 Jan 14, 2007

Could it be that Mr Jobs thought all that was left were dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s…or that Apple’s legal department gave that impression to Mr Jobs?
But either way, Apple seems to be in the wrong here…

john Jan 14, 2007

In my opinion, Mr. Jobs may feel that there’s nothing wrong with using someone elses Trademark for his latest cool gismo… just as he apparently felt that there was nothing wrong in re-dating his stock options to suit his purpose… 

We have to accept that Mr. Jobs has his weakeness as do the rest of us.. His just happen to involve taking what he doesn’t have any rights to…

Mark H Jan 14, 2007

Hi Mark Chandler,

This is the clearest communications I’ve ever seen from Cisco (in 10 years).

... ever thought of proof-reading their documentation ? smile ?

MH

Jon Adler Jan 15, 2007

I applaud all efforts to get Apple to open their architecture for interoperability.  I believe in the long run their current proprietary philosophy(the same Jobs had in the 70’s and 80’s) will come back to haunt them. At some point cost and functionality from the competition will out trump the current iXXX popularity.  At that point Jobs will lose his valuable leverage to partner with the Cisco’s of the world.  It will be a loss for all consumers.

TjL (tntluoma.com) Jan 15, 2007

@Jeffree Lassitter: “In view of this it’s suprising that he didn’t name it Trio or MacTrio, instead of iPhone, which would have incurred the wrath of Palm.”

Yes, I can hear the conversation now:

PalmGuy1: “OMG! Apple is totally playing off our trademark name by making another product that sounds like ours!”

PalmGuy2: “You’re right, that’s a total homonymic infringement”

PalmGuy1: “I’m saying it sounds like our product, the Treo, you know, the one that no one knows whether it’s pronounced Tree-oh or Tray-oh because we haven’t spent a dime on any TV marketing for the thing.”

PalmGuy2: “Still, I think we might have a case.”

PalmGuy1: “Hey, we ought to sue them.”

PalmGuy2: “That would be totally awesome!  We should definitely do that.”

PalmGuy1: “Apple’s got all that iPod cash, we might just hit the jackpot….”

PalmGuy2: “The jackpot?  You mean?”

PalmGuy1: “Yup”

PalmGuy2: “Really?  You think it could happen?”

PalmGuy1: “Totally.  How cool would it be if..”

Together: “...Apple bought Palm.”

PalmGuy2: “I’m all tingly just thinking about it.”

PalmGuy1: “Let’s call Legal.”

PalmGuy2: “Yeah, let’s see if we can force Apple to buy us and put out a model that only has 128mb of memory in it!”

PalmGuy1: “I was just thinking the same thing!!”

Wrath of Palm…. please…

Guest Jan 16, 2007

If you create something , you have a right to decide how it is used , plain and simple. Cisco it seems wants from Apple their ability to market a new product. Apple wants to continue its success building a business in a gated community. Both are valid but the ball is in Cisco’s court.

Fausto Mauro Jan 16, 2007

Fair or not, hostile actions towards Apple will be regarded as hostile actions towards Apple fans everywhere.
*______________________________________________*

Who cares, we’re talking a very small segment of the overall market here. apple products and their users are a small insignificant lunatic, fanatical fringe. I personally wouldn’t buy one of their products for the simple reason that I’d never want to be associated with such nut jobs. Even when apple is blatantly wrong, having transgressed laws that are in place to protect businesses that have invested heavily in their brand, the apple nut jobs find fault with the victims. apple users, fanboys,and girls, zealots, fanatics, lunatic fringe, you repulse me. Your mindless, gratuitous drone-like loyalty toward a company that has no ethics, no integrity, no truth and no real innovation disturbs me.

Cisco is a huge company and their products carry a much larger impact than all of the apple products combined. Sure they don’t have all the hype, the hyperbole, the untruths that apple has no issue manufacturing about their products, no Cisco is a real company with real innovation and real value.

Cisco is well with in their rights to slam apple hard. I just hope that they don’t sell out, and make some ridiculous deal with jobs. I honestly hope this cripples apple and slaps every lunatic apple zealot hard across the brain.

Let’s face it, apple is a (blank) company and anyone that buys into their lame marketing hype is running on a quarter tank in the brains department. How else do you explain the blind fanaticism.

360Nigeria Jan 16, 2007

Apple can call the it aPhone or eyePhone or iPodPhone or whatever. They just have to respect the right of Cisco over their property/trademark.

Matt Jan 16, 2007

Jobs has sued companies over the use of the word ‘Pod’. Thats not ‘iPod’ but the plain old english word ‘pod’. If he could he would probably sue the pea farmers too… It’s about time he got a taste of his own medicine.

Way to go Cisco!!

Neil Jan 16, 2007

ha. Apple is going to have to fork over a huge pile of cash for being so arrogant. The Apple fans will fork over a huge pile of cash for the iPhone and that’ll go to CISCO. Nice one Apple, muppets.

Fausto Mauro Jan 16, 2007

Fair or not, hostile actions towards Apple will be regarded as hostile actions towards Apple fans everywhere.
*______________________________________________*

Who cares, we’re talking a very small segment of the overall market here. apple products and their users are a small insignificant lunatic, fanatical fringe. I personally wouldn’t buy one of their products for the simple reason that I’d never want to be associated with such nut jobs. Even when apple is blatantly wrong, having transgressed laws that are in place to protect businesses that have invested heavily in their brand, the apple nut jobs find fault with the victims. apple users, fanboys,and girls, zealots, fanatics, lunatic fringe, you repulse me. Your mindless, gratuitous drone-like loyalty toward a company that has no ethics, no integrity, no truth and no real innovation disturbs me.

Cisco is a huge company and their products carry a much larger impact than all of the apple products combined. Sure they don’t have all the hype, the hyperbole, the untruths that apple has no issue manufacturing about their products, no Cisco is a real company with real innovation and real value.

Cisco is well with in their rights to slam apple hard. I just hope that they don’t sell out, and make some ridiculous deal with jobs. I honestly hope this cripples apple and slaps every lunatic apple zealot hard across the brain.

Let’s face it, apple is a lousy company and anyone that buys into their lame marketing hype is running on a quarter tank in the brains department. How else do you explain the blind fanaticism.

Carlo Jan 16, 2007

Openness and transparency in the corporate world is sorely lacking - so thank you for drawing attention to it. So In the spirit of openness and non-confusion and clarity - a few genuine questions…

Mr. Chandler can you shed any light on why after Cisco missed its deadline for Declaration of Use in 2005 and waited until almost the end of their grace period extension in May 2006 to file, that your October 2006 Product Brochure makes no mention of iPhone as a product, brand, solution, service or trademark?

Cisco Systems, Inc.  Note: As stated previously, we have met all elements required by all authorities to maintain our mark.

pianoforte Jan 16, 2007

Brand clarity is a precious and important quality to foster. I’m glad to see Cisco’s interest in it.

But interestingly enough, from perusing your website, it seems that Cisco’s own usage of the iPhone trademark is confusing and lacking clarity. Phones seem to have multiple names, and some are given the trademark in one area and then curiously missing it in other areas and collateral. Not that Apple’s actions are without fault, but it shouldn’t be a surprise for a company with the brand-sophistication of Apple not to engage in an effort of brand clarity with a company that is obviously still confused.

iphone demo Jan 17, 2007

I heard that cisco systems is sueing apple for the name iPhone which they use for there VoIP service. But i hear that apple is saying that they are calling it Apple iPhone. Looks like they will get past this one.

John Griffiths Jan 17, 2007

I have to agree here, Apple’s stance is definitely pro-aggresive.

I mean at the very least they could have told you beforehand but that would destroy their need to keep the seminar secret (catch 22).

When you think about it, Apple is a very agressive company; in many ways more aggresive than Microsoft.  They have a product and they will not stand for anyone to infringe on it.  So if they can protect themselves they will, no question about it.

Definitely a company I wouldn’t want to go up against.

Good luck with the case though, plain and simple they stole your name.

Traian Jan 17, 2007

Sad. Another “-” for apple, another “+” for cisco.

Hans Jan 17, 2007

Cisco just loose your goodwill with this lawsuit, without gaining anything!
Everyone knows that Apple uses ‘iNames’ for all their products.
So Cisco was anticipating this in the same way a looser is registering ‘cocacola.com’ in order to outsmart Coca Cola and benefit from it!
It’s just a form of abuse!

Rob Jan 17, 2007

Perhaps Apple could rebrand using the name Phonei (not to be confused with phony).

Fuzzy Moe Jan 17, 2007

If it is true that you were in good faith negotiations with Apple, and it has nothing to do with anything but copyright infringement, I would say you did the right thing by taking legal recourse. Good luck with your lawsuit!!

Fausto Mauro Jan 17, 2007

Posted by Hans on January 17, 2007 08:01 AM

Perhaps Apple could rebrand using the name Phonei (not to be confused with phony).


This made me laugh hard! I think this is the best idea I’ve heard for apple to covertly cover up their deliberate hijacking of the iPhone brand..

Pete Jan 17, 2007

My view is Cisco is trying to capitalize on Apple’s coolness.  I don’t understand where Cisco and Apple could have collaborated since Cisco is in the back-end and Apple will be in everyone’s pocket.  If you were at Macworld, you would have seen where Apple did collaborate with Google and Yahoo.. somehow I can’t see Chambers on the same stage as Jobs, Schmidt, and Yang.  Its not about collaborating, its about stealing Apple’s thunder and trying to derail iTV.

Harvey Jan 17, 2007

I think there are some other issues re the Trademark here few seem to have touched on.

The web address http://www.iphone.com is used by The Internet Phone Company and it has made no attempt on its website to claim iPhone as a trademark (ie the letters TM have not been used, neither has it any copyright reference to the name).

A company now owned by Cisco in a Trademark Application claimed the first use of the word iPhone in June 1996 however the http://www.iPhone.com domain name was registered in August 1995 - some nine months earlier and this registration was listed on a public register for all to see. My understanding is that this prohibits subsequent trademark registration.

All this lends weight to Apple’s claim of the word having become generic and not capable of valid Trademark registration.

Randy, Incâ„¢ Jan 18, 2007

This is a sad story.  http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236 Apple obviously has been playing Cisco all along.  I’ve been a huge supporter and user of Apple since OS 9.  I must say it pains me to see them use deceitful chess-like tactics just for sake of owning a name.  Paper corporations, brokering insincere business deals until MacWorld, business practices like this remind me all too much of the proprietary, closed-source world of Micro$oft.  From what I’ve researched online however, LinkSys failed to market a product within the required time period to renew the Declaration of Use.  Sorry LinkSys, putting an “iPhone” sticker on the exterior of the box and plastic packaging of an existing product that never mentions iPhone any where else, manual or pdf is bending the proprietary laws a bit.  That was pretty sloppy care of the trademark.  Btw, the sticker was slightly crooked.

Certainly this is just my opinion and you have play the hand out even if you know likely to lose.  Isn’t that what business is about?  Kenny Rogers surely would disagree.

Seriously though Cisco/LinkSys BoD, look at the laws and the facts…be honest with yourselves, your case is pretty weak.  http://www.uspto.gov/web/trademarks/workflow/keep.htm  I’m sure your lawyers won’t be telling you this, since they’re getting paid even if you lose.  Apple has iPhone in check and they’ll have it in checkmate in a few more moves.  Take this experience as an opportunity to learn and grow, cut your losses, work out a deal with Apple to purchase the mark for half of the amount the suit would have cost them in exchange for dropping the suit and save your business millions in lawyer fees, stock losses, and stress.

Oh and btw…say hello to Lumbergh for me!

© Da Big Bang-2007 Randy, Inc.™, All World Rights Reserved ®

Cisco Systems, Inc.  Note:  Ummm, Randy, Inc., we’re going to go ahead and need you to come in on Saturday.  Okay?  Great.

ANT Jan 18, 2007

Sounds like some of you aPPLE supporters that believe Cisco is simply riding the the aPPPLE “buzz” have missed the point: ” Infogear’s registrations for the mark date to 1996, before iMacs and iPods were even glimmers in Apple’s eye.”.  The iPhone name registered before Apple’s iWhatever became a buzz likely meant (i)nternet Phone - quite appropriate in my oppinion.  Oh and BTW, didn’t Apple sue some guy for making some posts, attempt to solve some problem(s) with OSX a while back? 


Cisco Systems, Inc.  Note: “ANT” is not a paid or unpaid Cisco spokesperson or employee.  : )

no one Jan 18, 2007

Cisco owns the trademark.  Apple does not and announced it anyway.  Jobs is arrogant and spoiled.

I hope Cisco wins the lawsuit and loads of money, to prove a point.  Then they can turn around and give Apple the name…with their best wishes for future success with a stupid product.

Ryan Jan 19, 2007

Great post!  Never thought I’d see a legal department decide to open the kimono to share its side of the story.  Way to go Cisco!

Navneet Kaushal Jan 20, 2007

Its seems Cisco wanted some benefit out of this. Maybe a tie-up with Apple to help grow Cisco network?

Chris Jan 20, 2007

If Apple does release the iPhone, under a new name or not, I doubt it’ll be worth buying.

Honestly people, step back and think. Apple has been in the computer and digital audio industry. Not the cellphone industry.

I can’t comment on the rest of the world, but I’m going to buy a cellphone owned by a company that’s been in the cellphone industry for awhile, rather than one that’s just entering it.

christo Jan 20, 2007

The ifamily was begun with ipod and its success.

There is trademark, and there is the spirit of the trademark.

Sorry Cisco, no free ride.

Cisco Systems, Inc. Note: InfoGear, the company acquired by Cisco, has had the iPhone trademark since 1996.  Predating the iPod by many years.

law Jan 21, 2007

Ok in order for Cisco to hold rights to their trademark they would have to proven they have protected their trademark up till the point where Apple violated it. The problem is Cisco did no such thing as a clear violation is http://www.iphone.com/ which has been in operation for several years now. As this is closer to a direct violation of Ciscos trademark as it is another Voice Over the Internet technology, and yet they have not pursued them. This opens up the gray area where Apple with a good lawyer will walk away with out a hitch. Lets look at another factor. It appears from this blog that Cisco was not using the trademark to stop confusion between products, but to try and blackmail Apple, the clear promoter of iproducts, to share it’s technologies. This is again not proper use of a trademark.

If Apple can provide documentation that shows that Cisco would only share their trademarked name in exchange for access to the technology, then provide proof that Cisco has failed to enforce trademark infringements in the past, as I have just provided above, then there is a good chance Cisco will loose this law suite. In my opinion the best Cisco can hope for is a profit off every iphone sold by Apple, and a bit of marketing ride at this point. It’s doubtful Apple will have to change it’s products name as Cisco has not forced this upon past violators, and clearly was not against Apple using it so long as they submitted to technology black mail (again not a trademark right).

Moshe Maeir Jan 21, 2007

Well I took a ride back in the time Machine to 1996,and guess what I found? An ad for the iPhone not from Apple....
The ad was in the Sep 96 edition of Asian Computer Sources. So it seems from this and the fact that Vocaltec, Jeff Pulver and others all used the term iPhone that we are talking about a generic term and not a trademark! see http://flatplanetphone.com/wordpress/?p=32

Mama Ferret Jan 21, 2007

The “i” is just a way of branding the products that Apple has developed.  I agree with past posts which have said that when you see “i” (i.e. iMac, iPod, iBook, iLife, iTunes, iWork, etc.) you think of Apple.  In a markerting class, we were asked to perform research by asking consumers to name everyday house-hold products.  For example: I would hold up a box of Curad bandages and found the standard reply was “those are Band-Aids”.  Band-Aid is a brand name and the company was so successful at branding the Band-Aid bandages that most people think all bandages are Band-Aids.  The same applies to the cotton swab, most people call any and all brands of cotton swabs - you guessed it! - Q-Tips!

I don’t see how the “i” branding of Apple is any different.  Most people see “i” and they do think of the various Apple products.  I think Cisco is a great innovative company, but so is Apple.  I hope there is some sort of agreement these two companies can come to.

iPhone Forum Jan 23, 2007

One of our writers has a different opinion -
http://www.iphoneforum.info/iphone-forum/viewtopic.php?t=179

iampeakoiltheory@gmail.com Jan 24, 2007

This is an amazingly unbelievable move on Apple’s part - I’m flabbergasted.

Paul Jan 26, 2007

Sorry, but for my, you never will have the Iphone

miko Jan 29, 2007

ask people which company they associate the word ‘iphone’ with and most will answer ‘apple’.

well maybe people who dont know anything, like yourself. if you had any cells left in that brain then you would know different.

steve Jan 30, 2007

Lokks like lots of Cisco employees doing a lot of brown nosing here.

Who ever heard of the Cisco iphone?  Can you even find it at Best Buy or Circuit City.

It is clearly about Cisco’s desire for access to Apple technology.  Something they could not come up with on their own.

Apple may eventually rename it and Cisco will be the laughing stock.  HOORAH.

Chris Landau Feb 2, 2007

Apple and Cisco should do a merger. Merge, frackin’, merge! They both want the coveted iPhone. They both want the network. They want our minds. Give it to ‘em!
But how do mergers happen anymore? The perception seems to be that you should alll go by the same name….
No no no no no. Use the diversity embedded in the two. Amplify!
Use Cisco as a fragment, a url, a gem of Apple. Don’t dissolve one or the other. Make them exist, simultaneously, beneficially, together, forever, in networkarma-ashna-iphone-love. ahhhhh
$$$$$$$$

Alex Nowicke Feb 2, 2007

You will loes tyhe law suit Cisco.  I now that cause I have a way to put your company in the dirt.

kody pocztowe Feb 4, 2007

Now i’m going on CCNA. I was reading this post with interest.

Andy Vu Feb 5, 2007

hmm,at first I was on Apple’s side,but after reading this post,I think cisco did the right thing,you need to do more to protect your copyright,Apple makes me a little disappointed,how could they act that silly?

Wedge Feb 5, 2007

“I know Cisco are huge, but until the iPhone came along, did anyone really care/know about Cisco? I mean, in the wider, consumer view of the world.

iPhone = Apple.

Cisco = riding in Apples wake and trying to leverage something out of nothing.

And I don’t even really like Apple”

Let’s put it this way buddy, no Cisco, no internet. the majority of the back bone infrastructure of the internet is Cisco. so, no Cisco, no myspace, no youtube. btw, NO CISCO = NO INTERNET FUNCTION ON ANY APPLE DEVICE smile Go Cisco!!

Apple fanboy Feb 7, 2007

People always associate iXxx with Apple, because Apple has been using that codename for all of its product, but Apple does not own iPhone name.

Cisco should file a lawsuit against Apple for using the name, Cisco has the right to protect its name, interest and rights.

While reading the comment, Apple fanboys’ comments are ridiculous and stupid.

AdaN Feb 11, 2007

Here is the timeline abou the iPhone name lawsuit.
http://www.pqdvd.com/blog/iphone/iphone-news/timeline-of-the-iphone-trademark-war/

jdm Feb 13, 2007

There are already several companies using the iPhone name for VoIP (voice over IP) products,” Kerris said. “We’re the first company ever to use iPhone for a cell phone. If Cisco wants to challenge us on it, we’re confident we’ll prevail.

Aquila Feb 18, 2007

Cisco is wrong to accuse Apple of stealing their trademark name. I mean, Cisco’s iPhone is a totally different thing from the Apple iPhone. Besides, people call it the, “Apple iPhone” these days. The article above is biased. I didn’t even know about the Cisco iPhone before. Just dub it “Cisco iPhone” and Apple will name theirs, “Apple iPhone” and all will be settled. The “Apple iPhone” is a cell phone for goodness sake. It isn’t even a bit related to the Cisco one. I entered in “iPhone” in many search engines, and most of the links had to do with the “Apple iPhone”.

Unbiased Feb 18, 2007

I LOVE APPLE! But I also love Cisco. WHAT SHOULD I DO??? Oh, I have SUCH A GREAT IDEA! (sarcastically, of course)
Why doesn’t Apple just call THEIR iPhone the Apple iPhone and Cisco call THEIR iPhone the Cisco iPhone???
I don’t know what’s the fiasco about. Whenever its iPhone, it’s Apple, apple, and apple some more.

Kevin S. Feb 21, 2007

Apple settles iPhone spat with Cisco
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/02/21/apple.gets.iphone.mark/

“This is a suit about trademark infringement.”

It is now apparent that this suit was about using the iPhone trademark to persuade Apple to make products that interoperate with Cisco products.

“Cisco owns the iPhone trademark.”

It is now apparent that the above statement isn’t as black and white as it seems.

“Do you think Apple would allow someone to blatantly infringe on their rights?”

It is now apparent that Cisco did not have the rights they thought they had.

It’s a shame people won’t come back here in droves like they did in support of Cisco when the lawsuit was first announced and reread this piece of spin. People like you can and will tell half-truths to the public for the rest of your careers for personal gain, but one thing you won’t gain is the respect of those who can read through the lines.

Cisco Systems, Inc. Note: Cisco has never dealt in half-truths to the public or anyone and never will.  We stand by our statements and are glad that we were able to reach a mutually beneficial agreement with Apple.

Connie Feb 27, 2007

Now that it is finally settled, I wish all of you bloggers would go back and read what you wrote and see how stupid you sounded.

Kevin S. Feb 27, 2007

“Cisco has never dealt in half-truths to the public or anyone and never will. We stand by our statements and are glad that we were able to reach a mutually beneficial agreement with Apple.”

Cisco doesn’t spin?

Fortunately, there is a public record of half-truths to back up the claim that Cisco does indeed engage in manipulating public opinion through half-truths. Go ahead and allow this comment and let the public decide.

From the RConversation blog:

Chinese censorship: Cisco responds

Cisco’s Mark Chandler starts by clarifying what Cisco does and doesn’t do:

The Committee is exploring the question of Chinese government censorship of the Internet. In this regard:

- Cisco does not customize, or develop specialized or unique filtering capabilities, in order to enable different regimes to block access to information

- Cisco sells the same equipment in China as it sells worldwide

- Cisco is not a service or content provider, or network manager

- Cisco has no access to information about individual users of the Internet

A PDF of the whole statement is here. They don’t confirm or deny whether they do or don’t provide instruction, training and/or service which helps customers use the routers for censorship purposes, or whether they market their technology to Chinese corporate and government customers with this function as a selling point.

He also does not address the fact that Cisco sells surveillance equipment to the Chinese Public Security Bureau, an institution with a well-documented track-record of human rights abuses. Although previously one Cisco spokesman told me that’s not a problem because it’s not illegal.

Do people really believe that there is any large company that doesn’t tell half-truths? Cisco really insults the intelligence of the readership of this blog by claiming Cisco never does this.

Note: It is tough to argue a point with someone who is too busy talking to listen.  People are entitled to their opinion, but those with informed opinions generally are more effective in espousing their positions.  Citing the blog that you do to support your claims is fair game, but citing it as true and accurate is just one opinion.

google Mar 19, 2007

hello from google…

Pozycjonowanie May 7, 2007

cisco is a business.

This is a business move.

Nice try cisco.

I fully agree. Thanks for great article.

iphone May 14, 2007

I think the dust has pretty much settled on this issue.

George Jun 9, 2007

Its just a simple law that Apple is breaking. The only reason they would knowingly do this, most likely because they will sell so many “iphones” that they can pay off cisco for compensation. I think cisco should sue Apple’s @$$ off.  They won’t walk around this one.

An off topic note, Macs will never come close to being as good as a PC. They have their mudslinging commercials bashing PCs,

1. Macs are virtually impossible to upgrade.
2. Macs are 10% of the marketshare for Personal Computers the remaining 90% is windows and linux based PCs.
3. All the software on Macs, in the past and today, is written using PCs.
4. Macs suck.
- source wikipedia.

Apple has always been a company of trash talking and mudslinging, but one thing an apple user cant do, is shut up about macs. You don’t hear PC users ranting and raving about how great PCs are.  Whens the last time anyone has seen a commercial where PC bashes MAC? Never! They don’t waste their money on that, they are too busy building a better computer.

I hope apple goes bankrupt over this lawsuit.

Kevin S. Jun 17, 2007

Why not just close off the comment function on this post if you PR guys aren’t going to actually post all the comments made post Jan 12? Afraid that the fiction of “transparency” you seem to have manufactured in this post will be ruined?

Cisco note:  Not sure what the commenter is referring to…we post all comments that are on topic.  It should also be noted that we do not accept comments from Cisco employees.

free ps3 Sep 4, 2007

I think iPhone should be simply renamed to iFone!

Murasaki Dec 3, 2007

Cisco Lawsuit, one year later.

Look who won and who has egg on their face?

How about THEM apples?

CPBJ Dec 14, 2007

It is great, good response from cisco.

Adan Jan 4, 2008

Well is is a shame to see Apple operate Microsoft style.  I hope Apple is not becoming a different kind of company because of their success. Apple should conduct all aspects of its business fairly and truthfully

Nj Technology Jan 21, 2008

I read this article.Very nice Cisco.Keep it up.

mick Jun 20, 2008

I always thought Iphone was Apple’s.
But then to me it seems Apple and Microsoft own everything!
I am sure they will within ten years.

NB Used Cisco Jul 8, 2008

Cisco is a very well established brand and they should demand rights to their intellectual property.

Backgammon instructions Sep 22, 2008

looks like Cisco’s trademark people—supposedly overseeing all of this—are perhaps NOT the sharpest tools in the shed, both here in the U.S. and over in Europe, where a parallel fight over the rights to ‘iPhone’ is going on.

This should prove interesting...

Faizal Kamal Dec 19, 2008

Awesome . . .
read this article.Very nice Cisco.Keep it up. Cisco is NOTHING TO LOSE,

Good Work Sir.

Movies Jan 4, 2009

Today’s announcement from Cisco regarding our suit with Apple over our iPhone trademark has spurred a lot of interesting questions.  Most importantly, this is not a suit against Apple’s innovation, their modern design, or their cool phone. It is not a suit about money or royalties. This is a suit about trademark infringement.

iPhone Ringtones Feb 13, 2009

I agree with Cisco and I think they should fight for it.And for Apple, they should give respect to Cisco since they have all the right to make the suit.

Silent Avenger Mar 2, 2009

Apple is the evil empire.  they want to protect their own rights while violate others’ rights.  Boycott them!

Wes May 7, 2009

This is should be more interesting in light of the recent partership with Cisco and RIM.

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casino online Jun 22, 2009

Big cooperation and trademarks the same old story

joey Jul 16, 2009

cisco blows, macintosh is way better, and if they steal trademarks, who cares, they have a good way of staying on top.

pune net Jul 27, 2009

Cisco obtained the iPhone trademark in 2000 after completing the acquisition of Infogear, which previously owned the mark and sold iPhone products for several years. Infogear’s original filing for the trademark dates to March 20, 1996. Linksys, a division of Cisco, has been shipping a new family of iPhone products since early last year. On Dec. 18, Linksys expanded the iPhone family with additional products.

Bookmarkdigg Oct 7, 2009

Very well said Mark Chandler, and Cisco.  I too am a fan of Apple products, however, their behavior and attitude has made me think twice as a consumer. What Apple did was flat out WRONG. Trademarks are trademarks. Period.  I’m rooting for you all the way Cisco!!!

iPhone Oct 7, 2009

too bad so sad for apple ... well actually it won’t be that sad. they can call it whatever they want ... the masses will buy it.

LFCSirZa Oct 7, 2009

Great response Mark. For those needing additional perspective regarding what this new iPhone twist might mean, look

Doh Oct 7, 2009

Big cooperation and trademarks

jamex Oct 7, 2009

Excellent! Absolutely excellent.

I think its good news for all apple’s fan

Sam Oct 7, 2009

Cisco obtained the iPhone trademark, just know it. thanks

Keny Oct 8, 2009

The “i” is just a way of branding products that Apple has developed. I agree with the positions of the past who have said that when you see “i” (ie iMac, iPod, iBook, iLife, iTunes, iWork, etc.) that you think of Apple. In a class markerting, we were asked to conduct research by asking consumers to name the house all day waiting products. For example: I would keep a box of Curad bandages and found the standard reply was “what are Band-Aids.” Band-Aid is a brand name and the company has been so successful in branding Band-Aid bandages that most people believe that all bandages are Band-Aids. The same thing applies to the cotton swab, most people call all brands of cotton swabs - you guessed it ! - Q-Tips!

I do not see how the “i” brand Apple is quite different. Most people see “i” and they think different Apple products. I think Cisco is a very innovative company, but so is Apple. I hope there will be some sort of agreement the two companies can come.

cinergy Oct 13, 2009

i think this long long time business lawsuitcase between Cisco and Apple,

5005 Oct 17, 2009

Great post blog. I hope that Apple will tell you is supported.

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